"Revenge" in Leytonstone

From:	Monsoir (PILOTDAN)	6 Dec 2015 18:22
To:	fixrman	10 of 56

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You lot really don't get it, do you? Do you know when the last terrorist shooting in the UK, was? Dan Herman

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From:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	7 Dec 2015 01:34
To:	Monsoir (PILOTDAN)	11 of 56

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When the cops shot that Brazilian electrician? ---- Hippie beards yes. Hipster beards no.

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From:	koswix	7 Dec 2015 10:25
To:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	12 of 56

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That was a simple case of mistaken identity when they shot Charles De Menezes.

They were actually after his brother, Denis.


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From:	graphitone	7 Dec 2015 12:03
To:	koswix	13 of 56

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(fail) It took me a good twenty seconds to get that :-$ Drawings n' that

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From:	graphitone	7 Dec 2015 12:57
To:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	14 of 56

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I'm not sure the police (employed servants upholding the law) can be classed as terrorists. :C Drawings n' that

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From:	milko	7 Dec 2015 13:55
To:	graphitone	15 of 56

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Maybe not officially. The summary execution of the wrong man in that case, the killing of Mark Duggan, the protester kettling, and data snooping stuff is all pretty terrifying though!

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From:	fixrman	7 Dec 2015 14:34
To:	milko	16 of 56

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the people doing the shooting don't seem to worry too much about that. Perhaps you should make it harder for people to obtain guns? I daresay our Leytonstone nutter would have use a gun if he could.

People doing shooting - mass or whatever - rarely worry about anything but themselves and the voices in their heads.

It should be difficult to buy guns, but you are going to have to get mental health reporting through, and obamacare certainly is a big roadblock to that - and even has created a gap in mental health coverage.

I support tighter gun sales and ownership.

Did you ever see such a messed up situation in your whole life, son?

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From:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	7 Dec 2015 15:09
To:	graphitone	17 of 56

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I'm not sure executing suspects is part of the police' legal remit. At least, I'd like to think it isn't in syphilized countries. ---- Hippie beards yes. Hipster beards no.

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From:	graphitone	7 Dec 2015 15:42
To:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	18 of 56

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Yeah, I was speaking generally, in that specific case it was a tragic outcome. Hmm, the fact that I'm terming it a 'tragic' outcome kinda speaks volumes. I expect the police ask questions first and leave the shooting until last. Drawings n' that

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From:	koswix	7 Dec 2015 16:10
To:	graphitone	19 of 56

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:D


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From:	milko	7 Dec 2015 16:51
To:	fixrman	20 of 56

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Apparently about 4% of murders in the US are committed by people with "severe mental illness". Maybe it's the diagnosis that isn't happening, but I assume people charged with murder are evaluated for such things as part of the process. Seems like that is something that needs addressing but it's far from the only thing, then. Is this info legit? Y'all need a lot less guns.

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	7 Dec 2015 17:27
To:	fixrman	21 of 56

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Criminals, obviously, don't care whether their gun is legally owned. If you have legal and widespread gun ownership then illegal guns are much easier to come by and cheaper. But yeah, if you look at the US's gun crime problem and you think the guns aren't at least a major component of that problem then... I don't know what to say. I get that it's a cultural thing. You are a country born in war and, as such, have an ingrained militaristic bent rarely seen outside of authoritarian regimes. But the constitutional provision is archaic (and frustratingly poorly worded for something so important) - I mean do you really think that hanguns and assault rifles are going to help you if the government becomes tyrannical? Given that they have, y'know, aircraft carriers, assault helicopters, drones, guided missiles and nukes? , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	7 Dec 2015 18:46
To:	fixrman	22 of 56

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Ignoring your constitutional right to bear arms, what is your reason for owning guns? A

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From:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	7 Dec 2015 20:55
To:	graphitone	23 of 56

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It's pushing 10½ hours and I /still/ don't get it... ---- Hippie beards yes. Hipster beards no.

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From:	koswix	7 Dec 2015 21:09
To:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	24 of 56

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Charles de Menezes... Dennis de Menezes... Dennis the Menace... IGMC


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From:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	7 Dec 2015 21:29
To:	koswix	25 of 56

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T_T Alls I managed to google up was this ---- Hippie beards yes. Hipster beards no.

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From:	koswix	7 Dec 2015 21:39
To:	CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)	26 of 56

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(fail)


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From:	fixrman	8 Dec 2015 04:09
To:	milko	27 of 56

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Y'all need a lot less guns.

Too late for that, best we can hope for is to make it nigh to impossible for whackos to get them, although they still seem to get them - illegally.

As far as the stories go, they may well be true. I found links to a couple news stories, and if I was a gun shop owner, I wouldn't have sold a gun to the guys in both of the links. But of course, in order not to do that, I would have had to profile people and have listened to cries of discrimination.

Interesting facts from a LEO that I know:

Any person exhibiting any two of the three following traits or behaviours may result in gun (two of those three factors points to a possible future mass, serial, or spree killer) or other violence later in life. Although not entirely definitive, the traits point to patterns of abuse which may make the one abused more prone to violent behaviour.

Bed-wetting after the age of five.
Arson
Animal cruelty

Did you ever see such a messed up situation in your whole life, son?

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From:	fixrman	8 Dec 2015 04:21
To:	Monsoir (PILOTDAN)	28 of 56

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No, but then again we don't get a lot of U.K. news here, unless it is high profile.

I know when the last stabbing was though, and those are supposedly on the rise.

Oops! Sorry, Derrick Bird. He used a rifle and a shotgun.

Violent crime recorded by the police soared by 16 per cent last year to nearly 700,000 offences, new figures show.

Data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) covering the 12 months to the end of September last year showed 699,800 recorded incidents of violence against the person compared with 604,100 offences in the previous 12 months.

The data also showed a new record level of rapes recorded by police in England and Wales.

There were 24,043 rapes in recorded crime figures for the year, a rise of 31 per cent on the previous 12 months and 81 per cent higher than a decade earlier.

The figure beat the 22,000 figures recorded in the previous quarter's data and suggests that continuing confidence in police and the courts is leading growing numbers of rape victims to come forward.

Sounds like people, in general, are just more violent today. Why?

Did you ever see such a messed up situation in your whole life, son?

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From:	fixrman	8 Dec 2015 04:24
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	29 of 56

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I mean do you really think that hanguns and assault rifles are going to help you if the government becomes tyrannical? Given that they have, y'know, aircraft carriers, assault helicopters, drones, guided missiles and nukes?

Sure beats the snot out of fighting them with a fountain pen and some papyrus over a cup of tea...

Did you ever see such a messed up situation in your whole life, son?

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