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 From:  fixrman    14 Nov 2015 14:34 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      4 of 40 
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Incidentally, ANT, automobiles kill people too, so we should ban the ownership and use of them. To wit:
 
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There were 30,057 fatal motor vehicle crashes in the United States in 2013 in which 32,719 deaths occurred. This resulted in national motor vehicle crash death rates of 10.3 deaths per 100,000 people and 1.11 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled. The fatality rate per 100,000 people ranged from a low of 3.1 in the District of Columbia to a high of 22.6 in Montana. The death rates per 100 million vehicle miles traveled ranged from 0.56 in the District of Columbia to 1.96 in Montana.
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   14 Nov 2015 14:36 
 To:  fixrman       5 of 40 
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Do you believe gun ownership results in the less innocent deaths?

I don't believe guns have a practical use for members of the general public, outside of maybe hunting. Knives obviously have a practical use in the kitchen. There is a huge difference between killing with a gun and a knife. Attacking with a knife is so much more involved, but also so much easier to defend.
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   14 Nov 2015 14:37 
 To:  fixrman       6 of 40 
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Deaths from cars generally aren't deliberate acts of murder, poor comparison.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   14 Nov 2015 15:02 
 To:  fixrman       7 of 40 
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> Perhaps a strict immigration/travel policy may have saved lives.

Fuckwit.

This saves me typing:

If anyone you know tries to use last night's attacks as a reason to turn away migrants and asylum seekers, please just remind them that most asylum seekers are trying to escape precisely the sort of people who perpetrated the Paris attack. They're not bringing it with them, they're trying to escape it.

 
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 From:  fixrman    14 Nov 2015 15:08 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      8 of 40 
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but also so much easier to defend.

Tell that to the dead.

 
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   14 Nov 2015 15:14 
 To:  fixrman       9 of 40 
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Is it easier to defend against someone with a gun or someone with a knife? 
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 From:  fixrman    14 Nov 2015 15:18 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      10 of 40 
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Fuckwit.

I expected better from you, Peter. Resorting to base expletives is a rather low form of wit, don't you think?

Try replacing "fuck" with "intercourse" and see how it sounds.

 

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If anyone you know tries to use last night's attacks as a reason to turn away migrants and asylum seekers,

I don't want to turn away migrants and asylum seekers, but I do want to prevent illegal immigration and scoundrels from entering anyone's country - just as I want to make sure that guns don't get into the hands of a schizophrenic, psycopath, sociopath, manic-depressive, paranoiac, drug addict or a Methodist.

 
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 From:  fixrman    14 Nov 2015 15:29 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      11 of 40 
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Doesn't matter, deaths just the same. Guns are necessary because outlaws have guns; our POTUS has seen fit to release 6,000 prisoners from Federal prisons, so who knows where they will end up? Crime generally repeats, particularly for the institutionalised. Our POTUS has pussy-footed with Syria; so then the terrorists come to America

Not all gun crimes are deliberate either, although most are.

What happens when ISIS comes to England in retaliation for airstrikes in northern Iraq? What do you combat them with, the back of a leather glove and refusing them afternoon tea? An ounce of prevention...
 
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 From:  fixrman    14 Nov 2015 15:35 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      12 of 40 
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A gun. Most people are incredibly bad shots and can't hit the broad side of a barn with one, let alone a moving target. Problem is, most people freeze with panic instead of taking action.

By the way, [Briton] Jihadi John was pretty handy with knife, wasn't he?
 
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   14 Nov 2015 15:44 
 To:  fixrman       13 of 40 
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> I expected better

Consider what that indicates.


> illegal immigration

What makes a person moving from one free country to another illegal?


> and scoundrels

Violence begets violence.

If you want to stop it, determine what actions combined to cause innocent children to grow into murderers.

 
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 From:  milko   14 Nov 2015 17:13 
 To:  fixrman       14 of 40 
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Just to go along with your woeful car analogy for a moment, we are moving towards driverless cars and in the not so distant future people will probably be incredulous that we drove them ourselves. "Didn't that cause a lot of deaths?" "Oh yes, millions".
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 From:  milko   14 Nov 2015 18:58 
 To:  fixrman       15 of 40 
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How many of the ludicrously common mass shootings in the USA are ended by a bystander with a gun? It's roughly zero, as far as I know.
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)   14 Nov 2015 22:06 
 To:  milko      16 of 40 
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Although, to be fair, if almost everybody carried a gun I'm sure that there would be far more mass shootings ended by a bystander with a gun.

Take that how you see fit.
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 From:  graphitone   14 Nov 2015 22:07 
 To:  milko      17 of 40 
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Damn good point. I suspect, though it's not laudable, most people's first reaction would be to get the shitfuck away from someone with a gun, not trying to be a hero and take whoever it is down.

Even with a gun, would you want to put yourself in the firing line? I appreciate there's a certain type of person willing to do that, most likley professional bodyguards and military types.


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 From:  koswix   15 Nov 2015 00:06 
 To:  fixrman       18 of 40 
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>>A gun. Most people are incredibly bad shots and can't hit the broad side of a barn with one, let alone a moving target. Problem is, most people freeze with panic instead of taking action.

And yet you advocate arming everyone so they can take a pop at the terrorists. 

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 From:  milko   15 Nov 2015 09:44 
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If we are going to do this, we should acknowledge that for example Canada have their citizens allowed guns and they manage not to shoot each other nearly as much as people do in the USA. So it's not only having guns that is the problem, there's more to it than that. Still, I'm not sure why people like fixrman are often so keen on other nations getting MORE guns. I live in London and. It is not rare to see someone losing their temper at some point during the day. Why would adding guns help? Meanwhile we have armed police for those situations where people are using illegal weapons and it seems to work ok most of the time.
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 From:  koswix   15 Nov 2015 09:51 
 To:  milko      20 of 40 
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Canada has about the same amount of territory as the USA, but a tenth of the population. There are fewer gun deaths because the bullets just go through the gaps between the people. 

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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   15 Nov 2015 11:14 
 To:  koswix      21 of 40 
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There are far stricter controls over gun ownership here. Our previous PM loosened them up quite a bit, but he's gone.

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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   15 Nov 2015 11:18 
 To:  koswix      22 of 40 
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Most occur in urban areas between gangs using smuggled/stolen guns.

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 From:  fixrman    15 Nov 2015 12:30 
 To:  milko      23 of 40 
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I don't want you to own guns if you don't want to. Nobody should be forced to own a gun if they don't want to. But nobody - at least here in the U.S. - should be telling me I have to give up mine as long as I am possessing a firearm legally, obeying the law.
 
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