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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   14 Nov 2015 15:44 
 To:  fixrman       13 of 40 
41625.13 In reply to 41625.10 
> I expected better

Consider what that indicates.


> illegal immigration

What makes a person moving from one free country to another illegal?


> and scoundrels

Violence begets violence.

If you want to stop it, determine what actions combined to cause innocent children to grow into murderers.

 
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 From:  milko   14 Nov 2015 17:13 
 To:  fixrman       14 of 40 
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Just to go along with your woeful car analogy for a moment, we are moving towards driverless cars and in the not so distant future people will probably be incredulous that we drove them ourselves. "Didn't that cause a lot of deaths?" "Oh yes, millions".
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 From:  milko   14 Nov 2015 18:58 
 To:  fixrman       15 of 40 
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How many of the ludicrously common mass shootings in the USA are ended by a bystander with a gun? It's roughly zero, as far as I know.
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)   14 Nov 2015 22:06 
 To:  milko      16 of 40 
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Although, to be fair, if almost everybody carried a gun I'm sure that there would be far more mass shootings ended by a bystander with a gun.

Take that how you see fit.
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 From:  graphitone   14 Nov 2015 22:07 
 To:  milko      17 of 40 
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Damn good point. I suspect, though it's not laudable, most people's first reaction would be to get the shitfuck away from someone with a gun, not trying to be a hero and take whoever it is down.

Even with a gun, would you want to put yourself in the firing line? I appreciate there's a certain type of person willing to do that, most likley professional bodyguards and military types.


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 From:  koswix   15 Nov 2015 00:06 
 To:  fixrman       18 of 40 
41625.18 In reply to 41625.12 
>>A gun. Most people are incredibly bad shots and can't hit the broad side of a barn with one, let alone a moving target. Problem is, most people freeze with panic instead of taking action.

And yet you advocate arming everyone so they can take a pop at the terrorists. 

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 From:  milko   15 Nov 2015 09:44 
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If we are going to do this, we should acknowledge that for example Canada have their citizens allowed guns and they manage not to shoot each other nearly as much as people do in the USA. So it's not only having guns that is the problem, there's more to it than that. Still, I'm not sure why people like fixrman are often so keen on other nations getting MORE guns. I live in London and. It is not rare to see someone losing their temper at some point during the day. Why would adding guns help? Meanwhile we have armed police for those situations where people are using illegal weapons and it seems to work ok most of the time.
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 From:  koswix   15 Nov 2015 09:51 
 To:  milko      20 of 40 
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Canada has about the same amount of territory as the USA, but a tenth of the population. There are fewer gun deaths because the bullets just go through the gaps between the people. 

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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   15 Nov 2015 11:14 
 To:  koswix      21 of 40 
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There are far stricter controls over gun ownership here. Our previous PM loosened them up quite a bit, but he's gone.

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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   15 Nov 2015 11:18 
 To:  koswix      22 of 40 
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Most occur in urban areas between gangs using smuggled/stolen guns.

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 From:  fixrman    15 Nov 2015 12:30 
 To:  milko      23 of 40 
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I don't want you to own guns if you don't want to. Nobody should be forced to own a gun if they don't want to. But nobody - at least here in the U.S. - should be telling me I have to give up mine as long as I am possessing a firearm legally, obeying the law.
 
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 From:  fixrman    15 Nov 2015 12:32 
 To:  milko      24 of 40 
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Actually, as bad as drivers are here, driverless cars would be an improvement, especailly those from New Jersey.
 
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 From:  fixrman    15 Nov 2015 12:40 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      25 of 40 
41625.25 In reply to 41625.13 
Quote: 
Consider what that indicates.

I did. My reply remains the same.

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What makes a person moving from one free country to another illegal?

Please don't play at being deliberately obtuse, Peter. You know full well the difference between legal and illegal immigration, but if you are unsure, you have the wherewithal to look it up.
 

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determine what actions combined to cause innocent children to grow into murderers.

That's great Pete, but that only helps future children, and only then if one does something after determining the cause. What is your plan for that? What do we do about the ones that are already screwed up? They are young adults or adults, so their behavioural patterns are likely pretty well set in stone. How do we deal with them effectively to prevent violence?



 

 
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 From:  fixrman    15 Nov 2015 12:48 
 To:  koswix      26 of 40 
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you advocate arming everyone



Not everyone, just those who want one and are legally allowed to own a gun. Where did I ever say that everyone should carry a gun? You are using words that I have not.

People who own a gun should be proficient in the use of a gun and should know how to handle the gun responsibly. People who have a CCP should be held to a higher standard so that, in the event they need to use the weapon for self-defense - they hit what they aim. It should be ready, aim fire - not fire, ready, aim as it too often is.

 
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   15 Nov 2015 15:49 
 To:  fixrman       27 of 40 
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:(

Seems you're just reading the words and not what I wrote. Don't worry, I'll just go cry into a pizza about how nobody even tries to understand.

 
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   15 Nov 2015 16:17 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      28 of 40 
41625.28 In reply to 41625.27 
Are tears one of your preferred toppings?
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 From:  milko   15 Nov 2015 22:04 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      29 of 40 
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salty!
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 From:  fixrman    16 Nov 2015 02:08 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      30 of 40 
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Oh, go on! I'll buy a damn pizza, toppings and all.
 
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   16 Nov 2015 13:55 
 To:  ALL 31 of 40 
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We're being played like fish

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 From:  fixrman    17 Nov 2015 02:27 
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)      32 of 40 
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So what's your solution?
 
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