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 From:  DeannaG (CYBATRON)  
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)     
41543.69 In reply to 41543.62 
I wasn't too thrilled with 7 either, but it was better than XP.

8.1 I like, except for the what they did with the start menu and the annoying hover thing.

I liked when Start was down in the lower left. You clicked it if you wanted something on it, but otherwise, it just sat there all nice and inconspicuous.

This business of having it spread out all over the place, and full of a bunch of a junk I don't even use, is really annoying, then they just had to throw in that hover crap and add insult to injury.

Give me good functionality to do what I want to do without a bunch of muck I'll never use, and I'm happy. There are just some things they should never try to make too fancy. Some of are more basic and to the point about such things.

I mean seriously. A pig in a dress is still a pig. :P



 


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 From:  DeannaG (CYBATRON)  
 To:  Dave!!     
41543.70 In reply to 41543.64 
Like I said above, I preferred when the Start menu was a button in the lower left, and if you wanted something you just clicked on it. There was no hover menu. Start wasn't spread out all over the place. It was simple, clean, and clear.

In my book, I think they need to take a few steps back in some areas.

As I said, a pig in a dress is still a pig.

With some of the changes they've made over the last couple versions, I think they need to put something different in the trough. Simple and functional works best. :)



 


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 From:  DeannaG (CYBATRON)  
 To:  fixrman     
41543.71 In reply to 41543.67 
I don't like 8.1's layout, or all the extra junk it comes packed with, but it's working better for me than it's predecessors for my uses.

XP was a nightmare. My comp spent more time in the shop than at home. Felt like I had my old Windows 95 or 98 back. They spent more time getting fixed than not too.



 


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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  Matt     
41543.72 In reply to 41543.65 
It's not really a new engine though. It's a fork of Trident. Or, to put it another way, a continuation of Trident.

Which is all fine, nothing inherently wrong with Trident. But it's definitely neither new nor free of legacy cruft (unlike Mozilla's Servo - genuinely new, built from scratch in Rust and looking pretty cool (though early days)).
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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)  
 To:  DeannaG (CYBATRON)     
41543.73 In reply to 41543.69 
I thought 8.1 brought back the Start button. But I spent so long waiting for 8.1 in place of the abomination that was 8, and it all seemed too little too late so I bailed ages ago.

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 From:  koswix  
 To:  DeannaG (CYBATRON)     
41543.74 In reply to 41543.69 
If you're still on 8.1, install this to. Get. Your start menu back: http://www.classicshell.net

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 From:  Matt  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
41543.75 In reply to 41543.72 
:%s/Trident/Webkit/g

In reference to Blink, of course.

And yes, while Edge is not completely new, it is stripped of all legacy cruft - that was kinda the point of them doing it. IE11 is still there in Windows 10 if you want to use it, and it still uses the old Trident engine too.

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 From:  Dave!!  
 To:  Matt     
41543.76 In reply to 41543.65 
Indeed, but it is at the end of the day an alternative browser. I can't help but feel that the number of people who run out and upgrade to Windows 10 just because "I want to use Edge" is maybe a bit limited...
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 From:  DeannaG (CYBATRON)  
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)     
41543.77 In reply to 41543.73 
I think it was 8 they started spreading the start all over the place.

The computer I had before I got this one has 7 Professional on it, and it wasn't set up like this one.

When I did the upgrade to 8.1 I was hoping for something more like what I was used to in appearance, but didn't get it. Obviously.



 


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 From:  DeannaG (CYBATRON)  
 To:  koswix     
41543.78 In reply to 41543.74 
THANK YOU OH SO VERY MUCH!
I wouldn't have even thought there was something like this, or to look for it. I just thought I was more or less stuck with whatever they threw at me. :)
 



 


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 From:  koswix  
 To:  DeannaG (CYBATRON)     
41543.79 In reply to 41543.78 
There's always a way. It was the second thing I installed in 8, after a proper browser.

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If Feds call you and say something bad on me, it may prove what I said are truth, they are afraid of it.

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 From:  DeannaG (CYBATRON)  
 To:  koswix     
41543.80 In reply to 41543.79 
Well thank you very much. The information is very much appreciated.

(((((((((((((BIG-SQUISHY-GRANDMA-HUGS)))))))))))))))) :)



 


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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  Matt     
41543.81 In reply to 41543.75 
>that was kinda the point of them doing it

Well, I think the point was more a rebrand to distance themselves from the damaged IE brand. Which was explicitly stated as the point in that leaked memo I can no longer find.
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 From:  koswix  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
41543.82 In reply to 41543.81 
There's definitely some old windows code still kicking around in there. I just manually installed my printer driver, when I clicked Have Disk it /still/ Fucking defaults to A:/

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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  koswix     
41543.83 In reply to 41543.82 
:'D

Them were the days when installing a driver it would hang for a while trying to access the floppy drive when there was no disk in it.
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 From:  koswix  
 To:  ANT_THOMAS     
41543.84 In reply to 41543.83 
And the noise! That beautiful grinding noise!

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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  koswix     
41543.85 In reply to 41543.82 
:D

<vaguely remembers 'drivers'>
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
41543.86 In reply to 41543.85 
Whilst *nix does generally have good support for a lot of hardware, the times it doesn't can be a total nightmare.

Having to compile drivers and modules, then forget when you upgrade the kernel that it breaks everything and you have to do it all again :C
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 From:  Matt  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
41543.87 In reply to 41543.85 
Man, you need to try harder at trolling. Linux still has drivers, i.e. a program that provides a software interface to your hardware. Whether you have them as pre-compiled binaries that you install or source code you compile into the kernel or into a module, you still have them :/

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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)  
 To:  ANT_THOMAS     
41543.88 In reply to 41543.86 
DKMS does a lot of that automagically.

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