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 From:  Harry (HARRYN)  
 To:  fixrman      
41226.167 In reply to 41226.166 
If a person is not convicted of a crime, nor accused of a crime, what basis is there for seizing their property?  That is a fundamental right in the US Constitution, similar to the gun ownership aspect we both hold as important.

Anyone can be accused of a crime, and probably convicted of "something".  In the nearly 30 years of living in CA, they average 1500 new state laws per year, so over 40K laws, on top of what we already had.  What are the odds that the average person has any idea what these are ?

Is it really the same basis, to seize property, especially cash, for misdemeanors vs serious felonies ?  Are you saying it is ok for a police officer to pull over your wife because she made a small driving error, and take your paycheck while she was on the way to deposit it in the bank?   It was against the law - right ?

Suppose you are on your way to the shooting range with 3 of your nicest rifles, and you do a rolling stop.  Is it ok for the police officer to "suspect that you might be on your way to a crime", seize your guns, keep one for the local agency, give one to the FBI, and the other to the state police? 

After that, they can spend up to 1 year before making a "decision" on whether or not to charge you, during which time you cannot legally do much of anything.  Regardless of if they decide to charge you or not, after this year period, you have to hire a lawyer to sue them to get back your rifles.  This process can drag out another 1 - 2 years, and typically costs $2-5K in legal fees.

Are you really sure that you support this concept?
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 From:  fixrman   
 To:  Harry (HARRYN)     
41226.168 In reply to 41226.167 
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Are you saying it is ok for a police officer to pull over your wife because she made a small driving error, and take your paycheck

A paycheck isn't cash. Mine were hardly enough to warrant suspicion, even when I was at the top of my earning level. Now, if my wife were to be pulled over after a minor driving infraction and allowed(!) a LEO to search the vehicle*, whereupon the officer discovered my trunk was full of cash, I'd have some 'splainin' to do. Especially to my wife.  (nod)

*I have never advised anyone to ever allow a vehicle search for any reason. All of my vehicles were bought pre-owned; how do I know what the previous owner stashed under the carpets or somewhere in a hidden compartment?

 

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Suppose you are on your way to the shooting range with 3 of your nicest rifles,

The one rifle I own would probably cause suspicion, especially if I had ammunition for it. It is a sniper rifle, albeit an old one. If they saw the targets in the back, they'd know I don't miss.

 

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and you do a rolling stop.


Can't afford that. I drive for an occupation.


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In the nearly 30 years of living in CA, they average 1500 new state laws per year,



I don't live in Cali, friend. I wouldn't live in California, way too liberal for my tastes. Pelosi is out there. OUT THERE. I'd suggest you move. Tomorrow, or sooner.

 
  Did you ever see such a messed up situation in your whole life, son?
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  fixrman      
41226.169 In reply to 41226.168 
Too liberal in what sense?
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 From:  fixrman   
 To:  ANT_THOMAS     
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Come on, man. California.
 
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  fixrman      
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Come on, man. Explain.
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 From:  fixrman   
 To:  ANT_THOMAS     
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It's California. What else is there to explain? CA is like cereal: Out there, what ain't fruits and nuts is flakes.
 
  Did you ever see such a messed up situation in your whole life, son?
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
 To:  fixrman      
41226.173 In reply to 41226.172 
Sugar Puffs, Coco Pops, Lucky Charms, Start.
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 From:  Manthorp  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
41226.174 In reply to 41226.173 
I blame the fucking crumpets.

"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951
 
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 From:  fixrman   
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
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They're terrible for you.
 
  Did you ever see such a messed up situation in your whole life, son?
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
 To:  fixrman      
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You're terrible for you.
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 From:  fixrman   
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
41226.177 In reply to 41226.176 
 (fail)
 
  Did you ever see such a messed up situation in your whole life, son?
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