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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   19 Sep 2014 14:43 
 To:  fixrman      Poll 128 of 189 
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I know I don't have any ties currently, and I guess it is a romantic pick!  My grams came from Scotland when she was but a wee lass.  I'm pretty sure I've posted the boarding pass here in the past from their adventures to America.  I think she was 7 when they came here.  She passed away two years ago but I can still hear her slightly accented voice!  It said vote yes!
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 From:  fixrman   19 Sep 2014 15:07 
 To:  JonCooper      Poll 129 of 189 
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Artful, but it isn't the same at all.

I'd suspect that if my wife wanted separation, my vote would not really count anyway. Plus, she is catholic so she would want an annulment vs separation or divorce, but she'd never get an annulment if I had anything to say about it. Annulments are, as you lot say, bollocks. Church-santioned divorce to salve a conscience via a "donation" to the church of $1200.00 or more (likely way more today) is ridiculous. It is all about the money.

Two people who marry should have worked out their differences prior and made a concerted wffort at communication and commitment along the way. I took the oath of marriage seriously; I did not have to marry, I chose to. It is an ethereal thing, a marriage, one that too many take lightly or don't truly believe in in the first place. For some it is a thing to do or a societal license to have children. I have heard many men say that and more. If I hadn't believed in the sanctity of marriage, I would not have participated in one.

If my wife wanted a separation, in a theoretical sense, why would I want a vote? If she doesn't want me any more, I don't want her. That isn't a "vote", it is resignation to a reality.

In the Scottish sense, they are separate from England because of devolution as I understand it. It is I think quite a bit more complicated an arrangement than our States because the U.S. Supreme Court has determined secession is uncontitutional, although the U.S. Constitution does not specifically address the issue. This more came about as a result of the Civil War.

I have to admit being rather ignorant about the Scottish situation. I'd welcome more explanation on Scots and their desires to be independent. Fascinating historical event and hardly much on it here. Most people here probably don't even know about the Declaration of Arbroath as I didn't before the other day, upon which our own Declaration was based.
 
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 From:  fixrman   19 Sep 2014 15:09 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      Poll 130 of 189 
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Haha! I'd have been interested what my grandmother would have thought. She came here in '47, a war bride. My mom was born over there in '43 and I haven't even talked to her about it yet. How silly of me.

** No wonder you are such an anglophile.  :-P
 
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   19 Sep 2014 15:18 
 To:  JonCooper      Poll 131 of 189 
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I was definitely being extreme in my analogy.

But in terms of marriage if one person wants out then why should the other have a say in the actual separation?

Of course the break up of assets, finances etc they'll have a large say, but not the actual end of the relationship.
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 From:  johngti_mk-ii   19 Sep 2014 16:47 
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I want to know why he feels the need to resign. He tried, it didn't work. Get over it and keep doing your job. If it's because the SNP feel they've missed something important, they should call an election. Like what labour should've done in 2007

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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)   19 Sep 2014 17:17 
 To:  johngti_mk-ii      Poll 133 of 189 
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The man deserves a rest. He's been instrumental in achieving an improbable amount.

Also the party's going to need to kinda rebrand for a while I'd imagine and that'd be much easier with a new leader.
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 From:  Jo (JELLS)   19 Sep 2014 18:42 
 To:  johngti_mk-ii      Poll 134 of 189 
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I want to know why he feels the need to resign.
Maybe he doesn't want to be FM of a non-independent country? Similar thing happened here, after the Quebec referendum of 1995. The premier of the province at the time, Jacques Parizeau, resigned after the Yes side lost because he didn't want to be FM of a province - he wanted to be the leader of a country.
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 From:  johngti_mk-ii   19 Sep 2014 18:47 
 To:  Jo (JELLS)      Poll 135 of 189 
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Meh. There was always the possibility that they were going to lose. He should see out the job he's been elected to do. I deserve a rest too but I'm not wealthy enough to be able to

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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)   19 Sep 2014 20:25 
 To:  fixrman      Poll 136 of 189 
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quote: fixrman
How could you possibly say the all of UK had the right to allow Scotland to secede? That would have decidedly put those favour of independence at a complete and futile disadvantage.

Other than what Jon already said, you seem to assume that the rUK would interfere with Scotland's right to secede. But what about rUK's right to get rid of the whinging fuckers? Eh?

Instead of a free rUK, now there'll be another 10-15 years of whining from north of the border before another referendum. Hopefully next time all voters will be involved, as in democracy, and the fekkers will be kicked out. They can keep their fucking oil (what's left of it bwahahahahah).

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 From:  fixrman   20 Sep 2014 17:00 
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)      Poll 137 of 189 
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But what about rUK's right to get rid of the whinging fuckers? Eh?

There is opportunity for you there if you have the cajones for it. Start your own referendum to kick the whinging fuckers out!

Or are you whinging because they had the temerity to do something about a situation, that at least from their point of view, is not right?

Thems what asks is thems what gets. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I look forward to the referendum, perhaps it will be as riveting as the last one was.

Jon's analogy, which I answered, is not at all similar to Scotland.

 
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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)   20 Sep 2014 18:08 
 To:  fixrman      Poll 138 of 189 
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All that's needed is an open, all-inclusive referendum or a revolution. But individual, exclusive referenda solve nothing.

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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   20 Sep 2014 18:53 
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As a half-blood, I was half-hoping yes would win, and half-dreading what might follow if it did. Disappointed.

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 From:  fixrman   21 Sep 2014 01:51 
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)      Poll 140 of 189 
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Start a revolution then. I'm sure you will win.
 
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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)   21 Sep 2014 08:52 
 To:  fixrman      Poll 141 of 189 
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Every journey starts with a single step, so I shall start by throwing a teabag into the sea.

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 From:  JonCooper   21 Sep 2014 11:17 
 To:  fixrman      Poll 142 of 189 
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quote: fixrman
..... temerity to do something about a situation, that at least from their point of view, is not right? .....

uh, since they voted to stay, maybe they don't see it that way? (at least the majority don't)
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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)   21 Sep 2014 13:11 
 To:  JonCooper      Poll 143 of 189 
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55% is hardly an overwhelming majority though. And, according to my inside information, they were tricked.

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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   21 Sep 2014 13:46 
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)      Poll 144 of 189 
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Not surprisingly.

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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)   21 Sep 2014 17:04 
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)      Poll 146 of 189 
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They're gullible enough, 'twas easy.

But just because He made them sheep, does not mean they have to be shorn.

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 From:  fixrman   21 Sep 2014 18:12 
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)      Poll 147 of 189 
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That actually might so it! I heard some guys did it many years ago to some big, red meanies and it ended up being a smashing success! (I hear to avoid detection, one should don face paint and loin cloth.)

Interestingly, Gearge Washington condemned the act.

One teabag may not be enough. Those guys years ago tossed the equivalent of 18.5 million + teabags. What a waste of [probably] really good tea!

Interestingly, the BTP might seem ridiculous at first; the Tea Act actually reduced total tax on tea and we could buy it from EIC (early form of a bailout) for less than the British could. It was the 3 pence per pound duty they railed against. I'd suspect that this was taught more over there than here, because even today the Bossy British were the bad guys because of Mean Old King George, Parliament and the Townshend Acts. I didn't know he was that old and still an excellent gitfiddle player. We wanted fewer taxes and duties, plus Hancock wanted Dutch tea!

If you guys hadn't had such an imperial nature and starting wars for seven years at a time, you'd had more money and wouldn't have to try to make up war debts by gouging the Colonists.
 
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