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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)  
 To:  Matt     
40913.31 In reply to 40913.30 
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It is odd how you have problems with the Charms bar always popping up, I tend to have problems with it not appearing when I want it to, but I think that might be more to do with my dual monitors and that when I try to make it appear I'm always trying to do it on my left-hand monitor. The Charms bar only opens for me if I move the mouse to the bottom right, not sure if that is an 8.1 change or a peculiarity to dual monitor set ups.

The charms bar is a strange thing. I had problems getting to show when I wanted it, and problems getting it to not show when I didn't. Rather like some idiot cousin it seemed to do the opposite of what was needed. IMO the whole implementation was retarded. There was a hack (registry? I can't remember now) to stop it showing up when mousing to the middle right of the screen, but I still couldn't disable it properly, even what it was no longer needed (i.e. when the lightweight start menu introduced a more user-friendly way of shutting down.)

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Apple have been treading the down the path of converging the desktop and mobile platforms for much longer than Microsoft have been seen to be doing. However, they do seem to have slowed down their conversion of Mac OS into an iOS for the desktop though and I can't help but wonder if that is because they've been keeping a close eye on the criticism of Windows 8. I do think it's something that will eventually become all OSes though as even Linux (Ubuntu at least) is heading down this route of a single UI for all platforms.

Oh yes, and not all of it's been good. But hopefully now that idiot Forstall been shown the gutter things will improve. I think MS looked at what Apple were doing and tried to beat them to the logical conclusion, thereby showing the world how unhelpful the logical conclusion is. What works on a mobile device doesn't necessarily work on a desktop (et v.v.). I can't imagine why anyone would've thought otherwise. hey ho.

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(Beehive doesn't actually do paragraphs, pressing enter should insert an <br> tag each time. On Mobile, enter inserts a new line which are then converted to <br> later.)

Yeah, I realise that BH creates the visual representation of paragraphs by inserting line breaks. What I meant was that in order to create this effect on mobile I pressed return twice. But on desktop I have to do it three or four times (just tested...this is IE10 on W7). The first return gets a new line, then two or three may be needed for the next line.

 

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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)   
 To:  Matt     
40913.32 In reply to 40913.30 
Actually I would say I have started using the keyboard search a lot more than I used to after realising how much quicker it can be to find certain things, like strange options hidden in the control panel.

Are the sites selling Windows 8 keys genuine? Seems you can get a key for 8 Pro for about $40-$45.

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 From:  Matt  
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)     
40913.33 In reply to 40913.31 
I'm confused. That's all you should be doing on desktop too. When you press enter you should be getting a <br> on desktop and a \n on mobile (because mobile is plain text). These never get converted to paragraphs anywhere. The only thing Beehive does is use PHP's nl2br method to convert the \n in mobile content into <br> tags.

When we first switched to CKEditor it did, but people were used to the old method of pressing enter twice so I switched it to that option, plus with CKEditor not supporting mobiles this was the only consistent way for it to work.

I only have IE11 here and it seems to behave the same way Firefox does, not sure if there is something about IE10 that makes it behave differently. There is a seemingly odd quirk that makes a new line appear the moment you start typing, but it goes away again shortly after.

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 From:  Matt  
 To:  Chris (CHRISSS)      
40913.34 In reply to 40913.32 
Why not buy one and find out? :P

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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)  
 To:  Matt     
40913.35 In reply to 40913.33 
quote: Matt
These never get converted to paragraphs anywhere.

No, I know. I didn't mean to imply that BH was converting double line breaks (either <br> tags or \n) to <p> tags, simply the visual appearance of paragraphs (blocks of text with whitespace between.)

And the problem with multiple returns seems to be odd. As I noted, I was posting on IE10/W7. Now I'm posting on Safari 7, Mac OS X 10.9 and returns behave as expected. But then the quote function is also working now (it wasn't this morning on IE10).

As Alice said, curiouser and curiouser...

Edit: (BTW, IE11 was one of the unwelcome additions that came with W8.1, I found that it broke a few websites, including WYSIWYG text editors. Strange that we seem to be having the opposite experience here.)

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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)   
 To:  Matt     
40913.36 In reply to 40913.34 
I could do but I don't really want to pay £26 and realise I've bought a counterfeit key. Why don't you buy it and if it works I'll buy it off you.

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 From:  Matt  
 To:  Chris (CHRISSS)      
40913.37 In reply to 40913.36 
I already have 2 keys, why do I want more??

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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)   
 To:  Matt     
40913.38 In reply to 40913.37 
Why not? Maybe in case you lose one. Or one breaks.

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 From:  Radio  
 To:  Matt     
40913.39 In reply to 40913.37 
Windows 8, so good you bought it twice?
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 From:  Matt  
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40913.40 In reply to 40913.39 
Technet subscription. Used to get 10 keys for each software package, but Microsoft reduced them to 2.

And now its due to end this year as Technet is shutting down. Fortunately the keys don't expire though!

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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)  
 To:  Matt     
40913.41 In reply to 40913.40 
quote: Matt
Technet is shutting down.

Rendle will not be happy.

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 From:  koswix  
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)     
40913.42 In reply to 40913.41 
Don't worry, I'll send him my latest student bursary statement to cheer him up.

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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)   
 To:  Chris (CHRISSS)      
40913.43 In reply to 40913.38 
It seems they are genuine keys that will pass activation but not keys that are meant for distribution, so not quite sure how they get hold of them but they shouldn't be sold. I'll pass then.

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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)  
 To:  koswix     
40913.44 In reply to 40913.42 
(cheer)

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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)   
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40913.45 
I've just got it running in VMware Player and I'm really not sure what I think of it. I actually quite like the look of the new flat UI and the new, non desktop apps, even though they really don't seem suited to a desktop computer. I can see them working well and looking nice on a touch device.

I am finding it very confusing where I am in the UI, and whether I will be loading a full desktop or metro (is that what they are called?) app. I don't like the charms and task lists popping up, and not being able to switch between metro apps without the popup list. 

It was only a quick go but it all feels a little disjointed and not quite sure what it's meant to be doing. I'm sure a lot of it works great on a Surface but I think I will be reinstalling 7 instead, even though I would like to keep playing with it and like it.

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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)   
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40913.46 
I do quite like the new task manager though, and that it shows the disk activity. Hmm, maybe, just maybe I could get used to all this if I play with it some more. And probably get rid of the new start menu to make things easier. I can't see me ever using the metro apps.

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 From:  Radio  
 To:  Chris (CHRISSS)      
40913.47 In reply to 40913.46 
That's the thing, the Metro apps /are/ really weird on a desktop, but I can't remember the last time I used one. I've certainly not used them other than to see if they're any good (which they've not been).
But none of that matters, because you never see them. Ten minutes mucking around with the start menu, and they're all hidden, and that's on the very rare occasions when I find myself in the start menu/screen anyway.
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 From:  Chris (CHRISSS)   
 To:  Radio     
40913.48 In reply to 40913.47 
Yeah, I installed the Start8 trial last night, disabled the hot spots in the corners, and it really didn't seem much different to Windows 7 then.

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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)  
 To:  Chris (CHRISSS)      
40913.49 In reply to 40913.47 
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That's the thing, the Metro apps /are/ really weird on a desktop, but I can't remember the last time I used one. I've certainly not used them other than to see if they're any good (which they've not been).
But none of that matters, because you never see them. Ten minutes mucking around with the start menu, and they're all hidden, and that's on the very rare occasions when I find myself in the start menu/screen anyway.

You'll probably want to install 'normal' apps for the likes of image/PDF viewing and associate them with the file types (W8 associates the metro apps by default). Oh, and kick Bing in the goolies and righteously stamp on its head.
I remember the first time that I installed W8, opened IE and though WTF is everything upside down? And why Bing?
 

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