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 From:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)   20 Oct 2013 13:05 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      15 of 43 
40728.15 In reply to 40728.14 
There are Microsoft articles but they vary greatly in quality and usefulness. Also, a lot of them address very specific issues meaning you need to know exactly what you're trying to fix to find them. Plus, I work a lot in education which requires a high level of control compared to most businesses.

So, yeah mostly the second but I don't want to over play it. Its just experience over time and attacking issues as they come up - most can be sorted with a quick Google, but once we've done (collectively) 3 or 4 installs, we have a good cache of knowledge going forward and can provide a really solid install from day one. Plus, don't underestimate the comfort blanket of having a help desk number you can call when the boss is breathing down your neck!


Dan Herman
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)   20 Oct 2013 15:41 
 To:  Dave!!      16 of 43 
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Sure, but a SSD will improve Linux boot speeds too so then it's 16 seconds versus 5.

(Read a thing recently where someone made the quickest-booting linux they possibly could. Booted in 0.02 seconds :') (couldn't actually do much with it since they'd stripped pretty much everything out :Y ))

Enterprise is profitable for MS, aye, but selling Windows to enterprise isn't really (since they have to sell it very cheap and it's rarely updated). It's Azure, Exchange and Office where they make their enterprise money. Azure is becoming the focus of their efforts and Office/email will be a web based service.

I think MS are fine with Linux becoming the desktop OS for enterprise. So long as it's being virtualised on Azure.
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)   20 Oct 2013 15:41 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      17 of 43 
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W3rd.

I've not encountered anything that needs drivers for years. But then I don't use anything at all exotic so that's not surprising.
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 From:  milko   20 Oct 2013 20:14 
 To:  Dave!!      18 of 43 
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I'll point out that having an SSD can improve things imeasurably. On my laptop (2.6GHz Core i5, 6GB RAM, 128GB Corsair SSD), Windows 7 (once past the BIOS screen) boots in 16 seconds to the login screen, 3 seconds to the desktop (where it's usable), and Firefox starts in 2 seconds.

You can't go saying "immeasurably" and then go and measure it, man. That's just not on.

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 From:  milko   20 Oct 2013 20:16 
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)      19 of 43 
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Make them make After Effects/Illustrator/Photoshop linux Xen, pleeeeeeease. I could ditch Windows and OSX then.

I forgot to post here but I have recently made OSX surprise even me, a grumpy Mac user, with how fucking stupid it can be.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   21 Oct 2013 00:54 
 To:  milko      20 of 43 
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I've always wondered why Adobe doesn't release on linux (after all, Autodesk did with Maya). Maybe one day they will.

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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)   21 Oct 2013 06:09 
 To:  milko      21 of 43 
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Hah, they're moving towards being web services too, aren't they?

(I actually literally use Gimp these days :| I can't bring myself to use Inkscape though so I run Illustrator through Wine. (Inkscape is powerful and all that, but the UI is fucking dreadful))

(It's extremely weak for video editing stuff though, aye. There's some stuff in the works but nothing good enough to replace AE or Premier yet)
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)   21 Oct 2013 06:12 
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)      22 of 43 
40728.22 In reply to 40728.20 
Because 2% of desktop market share -_-

Maya makes more sense because big studios obviously want to use Linux for their render farms so moving the whole chain to Linux is less of a step (and has more obvious benefits).

SteamOS (and the shitness of Win8/direction of MS) might eventually bump that 2% up to something respectable though.
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 From:  milko   21 Oct 2013 06:58 
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)      23 of 43 
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I can't really even use alternatives anyway, they'd have to be absolutely 100% compatible and whatnot :(
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   21 Oct 2013 09:41 
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)      24 of 43 
40728.24 In reply to 40728.21 
They have a rendering engine Mental Ray (which also renders 3DSM & Softimage) as a separate product. Plus many studios have their own, custom engines.

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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   21 Oct 2013 09:45 
 To:  milko      25 of 43 
40728.25 In reply to 40728.23 
Apple has proven with Aperture and Final Cut that adobe does not have a lock on the market -- all the more reason for adobe to move out of the walled garden.

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 From:  af (CAER)   21 Oct 2013 11:08 
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)      26 of 43 
40728.26 In reply to 40728.21 
You put up with GIMP but complain that Inkscape's UI is bad? wtf man :D

(I have limited needs to Acorn is fine for me on the Mac, and I ... don't mind the Inkscape UI at all, although I've never used Illustrator so I guess I don't know what I'm missing out on)
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 From:  milko   21 Oct 2013 11:09 
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)      27 of 43 
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Final Cut seems to have taken a bit of a beating lately, professionally speaking at least. While becoming more accessible to the home user. I've used it a bit a few years ago but didn't really get on with the interface. Motion and Livetype were kinda fun timesavers.

Regardless, it don't much matter - everyone I work with uses Illustrator/Photoshop/After Effects and assorted related plugins. It's bad enough when Adobe updates a version, never mind trying to mix up semi-compatible alternatives.

At least my Office needs are generic enough that I don't need a 'proper' version of that.
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 From:  af (CAER)   21 Oct 2013 11:16 
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)      28 of 43 
40728.28 In reply to 40728.10 
Oh and
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Btrfs (B-tree file system, variously pronounced "Butter F S", "Butterfuss", "Better F S", "B-tree F S", "Butter Face", or simply "Bee Tee Arr Eff Ess")"
...ah man, Linux  :') 
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   21 Oct 2013 11:18 
 To:  af (CAER)      29 of 43 
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Clearly got to be Butter Face.
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 From:  PNCOOL   21 Oct 2013 15:57 
 To:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)      30 of 43 
40728.30 In reply to 40728.15 
I've still not got my head around a potential Windows 8 roll-out here in this School.  I can't get the tile start menu doing exactly what I want for user profiles.

PNCOOL
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)   21 Oct 2013 17:23 
 To:  af (CAER)      31 of 43 
40728.31 In reply to 40728.26 
Gimp's not that bad any more. Certainly no worse than Photoshop, which was always pretty dreadful. Illustrator has a decent interface though, whereas Inkscape is just... yeah, bad.
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)   21 Oct 2013 17:24 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      32 of 43 
40728.32 In reply to 40728.29 
w3rd.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)   21 Oct 2013 17:55 
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)      33 of 43 
40728.33 In reply to 40728.31 
GImp, though much improved, is certainly still much worse than Photoshop*. My biggest complaint about PS is that all the stupid do-dads they've bolted on since about version 6 should be offered as optional plug-ins. And the drm and now cloud bullshit.

But the interface is actually about as good as it gets for such a complex and powerful set of tools. There's loads of people (mainly professional photographers) who only need to perform a few rote enhancements to their boring pictures of weddings, corporate smurfs and hamburgers. So for them the GUI and learning curve could be significant drawbacks. But hey, that's what instagram is for.


* full disclosure: I love using gimp.

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 From:  af (CAER)   21 Oct 2013 18:02 
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)      34 of 43 
40728.34 In reply to 40728.31 
I guess I put up with Inkscape (and its bad performance on the Mac) because it's the only vector drawing thing I've found that has a decent amount of features. I forget what exactly but I looked at several and they were all missing some obvious feature that I use a lot (and by "a lot" I mean "a lot on the rare occasions I actually need to use a vector drawing program").
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