The Cost of Bandwidth

From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	30 Jul 2013 21:07
To:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	9 of 34

40601.9 In reply to 40601.8
S'why I think the mobile networks are a good bet. Doesn't require digging up the streets, doesn't require additional infrastructure (i.e. the towers are going up anyway, unlike fibre) and we're (unlike with copper wire) not close to utilising the available bandwidth fully. Was talking to a friend the other day who's got 60Mb both up and down on 4g. That's 10x my downstream and 100x my upstream. I suspect if 4g (and its successors) become the normal way to access the net then prices will plummet. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	30 Jul 2013 21:29
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	10 of 34

40601.10 In reply to 40601.7
That's what I mean. Many people avoid Sky because of Murdoch, and I agree with that in principle, I don't like him or his empire. But when they're the only ones who can offer a service I want/require (probably stretching it a bit saying require) I pick them because they are really cheap in comparison. I really wanted to stay with Be and was willing to pay that bit extra not to move to Sky. Then O2 and Be got sold to Sky so there wasn't much choice unfortunately. ┌─────┐ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ │ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ └─┘

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	30 Jul 2013 21:34
To:	ANT_THOMAS	11 of 34

40601.11 In reply to 40601.10
Oh aye, I don't judge anyone who does use that stuff. Much. :Y , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	koswix	30 Jul 2013 22:00
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	12 of 34

40601.12 In reply to 40601.11

I despise Murdoch and all he stands for and represents. Truly, truly hate his empire.

But Sky gave me an internet connection when I had no money and all they wanted was a tenner to connect the line, when BT wanted to charge about £150.

I am a bad moralist :((


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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	30 Jul 2013 22:23
To:	koswix	13 of 34

40601.13 In reply to 40601.12
/////// (hugleft) //////// (tbh I'd cave too in that situation :Y ) , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Gobfounded (YVE)	30 Jul 2013 23:02
To:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	14 of 34

40601.14 In reply to 40601.8
We waited 6 months from moving into this house, 10 years ago, to finally have a broadband connection. After all this time, it still achieves heady download speeds of 1MB on a good day. It's looking like we're not even a candidate for the HS broadband rollout because some of the village can get 2MB, so we might not qualify. We're only 5 miles from a city and close to an exchange, but still using ancient copper wiring. I rarely bother clicking links to video.

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From:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	30 Jul 2013 23:21
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N) koswix ANT_THOMAS	15 of 34

40601.15
Weak. Weak. Weak. :@ It's easy to pretend to have principles when they're never actually tested. You lot could at least copy those poncy twerps who do carbon offsetting and do Murdoch offsetting - for every pound you give him, you have to convince ten people to stop buying/reading the Sun. `3.1415P265E589T932E846R64338`

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	30 Jul 2013 23:24
To:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	16 of 34

40601.16 In reply to 40601.15
Just because you won't get a phoneline. You can't take part in this discussion. ┌─────┐ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ │ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ └─┘

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	30 Jul 2013 23:28
To:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	17 of 34

40601.17 In reply to 40601.15
Never claimed not to be weak :Y Also we don't want them to stop reading the sun. We'll need an easy way to identify them when the time comes. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	30 Jul 2013 23:39
To:	ANT_THOMAS	18 of 34

40601.18 In reply to 40601.16
That's not principles, that's stupidity. :P I'm proving of Lucy's point about 4G being a viable option - 3G is mostly good enough for browsing and video, so reliable 4G would be more than fine. (Disagree on prices plummeting though; companies will charge what they can get away with.) `3.1415P265E589T932E846R64338`

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	30 Jul 2013 23:47
To:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	19 of 34

40601.19 In reply to 40601.18
Quote: (Disagree on prices plummeting though; companies will charge what they can get away with.) While a minority of people care about/want unlimited/lots of data use they can charge what they want and call it a premium feature. When it's the norm and everyone who currently had broadband wants that then it become a commodity and competition kicks in more fiercely. And 'what companies can get away with' won't be very much. Although yeah, that relies on there being more than like 3 carriers -_- , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	30 Jul 2013 23:48
To:	ALL	20 of 34

40601.20
I might not be remembering right, and things were probably different back then due to lower data usage, but did operators charge extra to use 3G when it first came into service? I don't remember them doing so. Haven't checked lately but I think EE charged a premium, certainly over Orange and T-Mobile. I have read that when Three start 4G service on 800MHz they won't be charging any extra. Basically if you have a phone that supports it you'll get 4G speeds when it's turned on. ┌─────┐ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ │ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ └─┘

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From:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	30 Jul 2013 23:53
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	21 of 34

40601.21 In reply to 40601.17
The time will never come whilst so many people receive their education from Murdoch and friends. `3.1415P265E589T932E846R64338`

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From:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	30 Jul 2013 23:59
To:	ANT_THOMAS	22 of 34

40601.22 In reply to 40601.20
You had to be on the right price plan (i.e. a data plan, or with a data add-on, which cost more), and also most places were still charging per-MB for data, until "unlimited (not really)" started taking off. Any idea how long until Three gets 4G? `3.1415P265E589T932E846R64338`

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	31 Jul 2013 00:07
To:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	23 of 34

40601.23 In reply to 40601.22
Everything is pointing to the end of the year, but no firm date. They've also reduced their 12 month Sim-Only "One Plan" to £15/month. That includes Unlimited data which can be tethered. So when 4G comes along that looks like a very good price. ┌─────┐ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ │ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ └─┘

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	31 Jul 2013 00:19
To:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	24 of 34

40601.24 In reply to 40601.21
Aye :(( , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	31 Jul 2013 00:27
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	25 of 34

40601.25 In reply to 40601.9
I wish that were true. They flushed ~~all~~ almost all of the unlimited data plans on mobile over here. There are the fringe companies like T-Mobile and Sprint still offering it, but it's all a ruse anyway. After you hit a certain limit they begin to throttle you, how the fuck is that unlimited? I had to purchase a business class internet here at home to get an uncapped monthly plan! Good thing I actually had a business at one point! I get ~25/10 pretty consistently. I've attached a screenshot from my phone. Some days I can get around ~50/25 on it! ----------------------------------------- Hello, this is feds. What we are speak is truth! We also offer great deals on online backup!
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From:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	31 Jul 2013 00:30
To:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	26 of 34

40601.26 In reply to 40601.18
That may be true "over there" but here 3G is truly useless. I think they've either done it on purpose or are using most of the spectrum for something else. ----------------------------------------- Hello, this is feds. What we are speak is truth! We also offer great deals on online backup!

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From:	Chris (CHRISSS)	31 Jul 2013 22:06
To:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	27 of 34

40601.27 In reply to 40601.1
Who pays for stuff like DNS servers and whatever other stuff is required to keep stuff going? Also I assume over time equipment will need upgrading to meet the demands of increased traffic/connections/PRON! Mobile networks (maybe not so much now networks seem to be offering unlimited/thousands of texts) charge for sending text messages which I believe don't add any extra overhead to the network, unlike calls/data. Me

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From:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	1 Aug 2013 01:10
To:	Chris (CHRISSS)	28 of 34

40601.28 In reply to 40601.27
I don't think DNS is a good example. The two companies that are best at it provide the service for free. There's no doubt that there are maintenance costs but the only time I /think/ they would be large is when moving to a new technology. I heard yesterday that Time Warner Cable is going to raise their modem rental rates from 3.49 to 5.99 and they would make an extra hundred million or so. That's complete bullshit. ----------------------------------------- Hello, this is feds. What we are speak is truth! We also offer great deals on online backup!

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