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From:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	23 May 2013 16:02
To:	ANT_THOMAS	27 of 104

40496.27 In reply to 40496.26
Well there's another side to that. If you don't allow people to legally own guns you are only addressing the people who follow the law. Now you have an unarmed population who can't protect themselves from the people who do have guns. The people who have no intention to follow the laws. Removing every gun from the planet is impossible. And now we are able to print them on a 3D printer, it's going to get real ugly. ------------------------- I'm not sick, but I'm not well

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	23 May 2013 16:07
To:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	28 of 104

40496.28 In reply to 40496.27
It would be much uglier if everyone had guns. ┌─────┐ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ │ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ └─┘

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	23 May 2013 16:08
To:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	29 of 104

40496.29 In reply to 40496.27
It may be a view which you can't grasp but I am more than happy to be part of the unarmed population. ┌─────┐ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ │ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ └─┘

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From:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	23 May 2013 16:11
To:	ANT_THOMAS	30 of 104

40496.30 In reply to 40496.29
No, you're right I can't, because I've been around them since birth. So it's just something we have. If you're taught right from an early age there isn't anything to be afraid of and you know to respect it. I kinda wish nobody knew anything about guns but it's too late for that. ------------------------- I'm not sick, but I'm not well

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From:	koswix	23 May 2013 16:25
To:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	31 of 104

40496.31 In reply to 40496.27

>>And now we are able to print them on a 3D printer, it's going to get real ugly.

:'D you don't actually believe that shit, do you?


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From:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	23 May 2013 16:33
To:	koswix	32 of 104

40496.32 In reply to 40496.31
Believe what? That you can print a gun? If that's what you're asking me then the answer is yes. And if you don't then you should visit your favorite search engine. ------------------------- I'm not sick, but I'm not well

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	23 May 2013 16:40
To:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	33 of 104

40496.33 In reply to 40496.30
As you say, if someone wants to kill someone, a great many things can be used as weapons. But guns are only weapons, they have no other purpose. Except for a very few which are designed for and only really useful for target shooting, they're designed for the sole purpose of hurting/killing other creatures. And in the vast majority of cases they're designed with humans in mind. What does it say about your (people in such a country, not you specifically) attitude to life and your fellow humans that you feel the need to carry a weapon around? That you place that much of a premium on your safety, regardless of the cost to that of others. It seems to me a very self-centred/selfish thing to do and bespeaks an uncivilised society, really. It's not really, for me at least, about the guns. It's about the culture that allowing people to walk around armed fosters. An attitude to violence and human life that I just don't agree with and couldn't live with. And this is borne out by statistics since while your rate of homicides with firearms is obviously higher than ours (3.21 per 100k as opposed to 0.07 on our end) your non-firearm homicide rate is higher too (1.54 compared to 0.99). , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	23 May 2013 16:43
To:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	34 of 104

40496.34 In reply to 40496.32
You realise that it's a very shit gun? And that the printer required to print a working gun would cost tens of thousands of pounds? At this point, you may as well just buy a gun. And while sure this stuff is going to eventually get better and cheaper to the point where most homes will have a 3D printer, you still won't be able to print ammo. And we don't sell ammo here, so no problem. (until we get to like Diamond Age nano-printers, like) , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	koswix	23 May 2013 16:59
To:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	35 of 104

40496.35 In reply to 40496.32

I'm well aware of the shitty little plastic tube with a nail in the end. It's hardly a gun, though.


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From:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	23 May 2013 17:00
To:	koswix	36 of 104

40496.36 In reply to 40496.35
So you don't think that will improve? ------------------------- I'm not sick, but I'm not well

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From:	koswix	23 May 2013 17:07
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	37 of 104

40496.37 In reply to 40496.34
>>(*until we get to like Diamond Age nano-printers, like) I had a lovely chat with one of the top bio-engineers from NASA a few weeks back. She was telling me about the replicators they're working on for the Mars mission (which she reckons will be GO GO GO as soon as the Chinese start making any realy progress in space (by which time the USA will have no money left anyway :'D )). Anyway, they sound really cool. She's designing bacteria things that can a) self replicate and b) turn the Martian soil into bricks which are then assembled into buildings by robots. She's also working on a bio replicator that can build pretty much any organic organism (bacteria, vacine, food etc.) from a selection of raw ingredients and some instructions - crucially instructions that can be uploaded from Earth, so if the astronauts on mars suddenly get ill and need a vacine we can send it to them :D Seemingly NASA's Mars plan is to have a base built and ready by the time the astronauts get there. I kept thinking she must be bullshitting me, but she seemed totally serious (and extremely knowledgeable) about the whole thing. ▪ ┌────┐ ┌────┐ │ │ │ │ ▪ │ └────┘ │ │ ──┐ ┌── │ ▪ ┌──────┤ ▪ ▪ │ ┌┘ │ │ ▪ ┌─┤ └──┐ │ │ ┌──┘ │ │ │ ││ ││ │ ┌─┐ │ │ └─┼┤ └┴─┴───┘ │ │ │ ─┘│ │ │ │ ┌──────┐ └┬──────────┘ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ └───┘ └───┘ If Feds call you and say something bad on me, it may prove what I said are truth, they are afraid of it.

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From:	koswix	23 May 2013 17:08
To:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	38 of 104

40496.38 In reply to 40496.36

Not until we can print materials with the same precision and strength of current manufacturing methods - and that is likely a /loong/ way off. And when that happens a 3D printed gun will be the least of our worries.


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From:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	23 May 2013 17:10
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	39 of 104

40496.39 In reply to 40496.34
I didn't say it was a great gun but it shoots a projectile. Sure it will get better. And I'm sure they will come up with something for ammunition. ------------------------- I'm not sick, but I'm not well

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From:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	23 May 2013 17:11
To:	koswix	40 of 104

40496.40 In reply to 40496.38
How long is a looong way off? We are printing house foundations and a bunch of other shit already. NASA is going to print food. I'd say 5 years max and they will have a pretty good printed gun. ------------------------- I'm not sick, but I'm not well

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	23 May 2013 17:12
To:	koswix	41 of 104

40496.41 In reply to 40496.37
I love that stuff :\| , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	23 May 2013 17:15
To:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	42 of 104

40496.42 In reply to 40496.39
Taking this carrying around weapons thing to extremes. Say you had a barbecue and I was invited (as I'd better fucking be) and at the barbecue I carried around... a glaive, would that be ok? Or an RPG launcher? Or a hand grenade? I mean at what point does it become unacceptable to you? , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	23 May 2013 17:20
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	43 of 104

40496.43 In reply to 40496.42
A glaive might be cool! It depends how big it is. If you had a knife like Rambo I wouldn't think much about it, but if you carried a sword around I'd think you were a little fucked in the head. The other things I wouldn't think were acceptable. The items you listed are only used for military purposes, although I think some things like that are legal to own. I know you can own a tank as long as it can't fire. I have a friend who has a pretty good arsenal of mortar rounds too. Although I don't think you're allowed to have them. ------------------------- I'm not sick, but I'm not well

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	23 May 2013 17:25
To:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	44 of 104

40496.44 In reply to 40496.43
quote: The items you listed are only used for military purposes So are guns you bunch of crazy fucking dicks. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	23 May 2013 17:29
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	45 of 104

40496.45 In reply to 40496.44
Not here they aren't. We've been through this, and have come to the conclusion that it's a cultural thing right? If you grow up using and around guns your whole life you're used to them. I guess you /could/ be correct in a way. The reason we have the second amendment is to be able to protect ourselves from the government and are able to form a militia, so yeah you're right. Every American is a member of the military to a point I guess. ------------------------- I'm not sick, but I'm not well

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From:	koswix	23 May 2013 17:29
To:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	46 of 104

40496.46 In reply to 40496.40
House foundations is really nothing more than pouring concrete with a robotic arm - not going to help you make a gun. Printing precision parts is a complete bitch - the plastics warp and change shape significantly over any distance (hence the incredibly short barrel on the Liberator), and the plastic really isn't strong enough for the job (notice how the amazing test firing was only a single shot?). ABS is far more elastic than steel, so it's never going to be possible to get a proper seal around the slug with ABS. Also the seal around the chamber isn't going to be very good with ABS either. I've no idea what the muzzle velocity is, but I bet it's not great. Also there's no rifling, as the ABS can't cut into the bullet, so with a tiny barrel and no rifling you're going to struggle to hit anything you're pointing at. I'd imagine the most likely outcome of firing a Liberator being pretty similar to holding a bullet in a vice and hitting it with a hammer. As for printed metals, they're currently done by using powdered metals and 'fusing' the particles together with a laser. The result is pretty brittle and the machines are ridiculously expensive, unlike the ABS printers you can get/build for a few hundred dollars. If you really wanted to manufacture a gun at home then all you need is a half decent workshop, a mill and a lathe. Add in a CNC lathe, CNC router, CNC mill and you could automate the process and make something half decent in a week or so. ▪ ┌────┐ ┌────┐ │ │ │ │ ▪ │ └────┘ │ │ ──┐ ┌── │ ▪ ┌──────┤ ▪ ▪ │ ┌┘ │ │ ▪ ┌─┤ └──┐ │ │ ┌──┘ │ │ │ ││ ││ │ ┌─┐ │ │ └─┼┤ └┴─┴───┘ │ │ │ ─┘│ │ │ │ ┌──────┐ └┬──────────┘ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ └───┘ └───┘ If Feds call you and say something bad on me, it may prove what I said are truth, they are afraid of it.

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