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 From:  Queeg 500 (JESUSONEEZ)    22 Apr 2013 13:06 
 To:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)      5 of 32 
40448.5 In reply to 40448.2 
I haven't looked any further than the article, but Paul Thurrott's site is usually pretty accurate when it comes to this sort of thing. I've grown to like it better over the last year or so as he's become quite critical of MS in that time. Beforehand it was a bit MS love-in.

If the Start button is just going to zap you back to Metro then yeah, a bit pointless. It's more the 'straight to desktop' boot feature that I'm interested in.

Just had a quick browse and plenty of sites are reporting it, but most are citing Paul's site as the source, and I can't find any article that says whether the Start button will jump to 'Metro' or function more akin to Windows 7.

Blue is leaking like a rusty bucket at the moment, so I'm sure we'll know soon enough.

Windows 8 - We hate it in the pants, panties and in the ear
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   22 Apr 2013 13:27 
 To:  PNCOOL     Queeg 500 (JESUSONEEZ)       6 of 32 
40448.6 In reply to 40448.5 
Yeah that's what it already does and what all the windows buttons do on my computer, so yeah a bit pointless.

I listen to Paul and Mary Jo on TWIT every week, that's also where I heard it.  They can't be 100% sure on anything at the moment but they were discussing the impact a full, old school start menu would have on Metro developers and that MS would probably just make the button go to the new start screen.
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 From:  Dave!!   22 Apr 2013 17:00 
 To:  Queeg 500 (JESUSONEEZ)       7 of 32 
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It will be interesting. I agree with Paul that the biggest flaw with Windows 8 was the complete removal of the old Start Menu feature. I used the classic Start Menu initially in XP until I got used to the newer one, and allowing me to transition in such a way made the OS much more acceptable.

Another weird feature IMO is that they also removed Aero (again, classic has remained in Windows for ages). Personally, I don't like the flattened look in Windows 8 as it makes the OS look old and tired to me. I actually like flashy stuff to some degree so long as it doesn't detract from usability. It's not so much the transparency and glass I miss, it's the more "3D" look to the buttons etc. Heck even back in Windows 3.1 buttons were designed to look 3D. Windows 8 just looks flat, lifeless and crap IMO. And MS again went down the route of "Our way, or fuck you", which is very unlike MS of old to be honest.
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 From:  Wattsy (SLAYERPUNX)   22 Apr 2013 17:47 
 To:  Queeg 500 (JESUSONEEZ)       8 of 32 
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You can boot 8 straight to XBMC now without any third party fixes. It's a simple reg hack. I have it booting to XBMC now my living room Pc.

http://cybernetnews.com/xbmc-run-boot-xbmc-startup-windows-8/
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)   22 Apr 2013 18:05 
 To:  Dave!!      9 of 32 
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I like the mainstream trend towards flat design (stuff like this) and the move away from the Apple-ish faux-3d and skeuomorphism of the past decade or so. Much cleaner, more readable, more genuinely computery.

I like metro aesthetically and in terms of how it presents information, it's just shit in terms of usability. My problem with Win8 (aside from political stuff) is that it's two half-finished UIs, neither of which is fully usable alone.

But yeah, get used to flat design and Swiss layouts, you'll be seeing a lot of it for the next decade or so :Y
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 From:  william (WILLIAMA)   22 Apr 2013 20:46 
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)      10 of 32 
40448.10 In reply to 40448.9 
For me, the problems with Windows 8 centre on the utterly perverse decisions around how some actions pan out. For instance, I take an SD card of photos and plug it in to my card reader slot. Yep, the file explorer window begins to flash - all fine so far. So I open file explorer. There are my photos and I double click one. Excellent, it opens and I browse it.

Now I'd quite like to see another.

Bad luck if you're expecting anything friendly about this. No handy arrows on screen, nothing if you optimistically click a left or right button. A desperate stab at Esc only dumps you in the  bizarre start screen with no obvious way back.

Pan around with the cursor while viewing a photo and you'll find all sorts of useful things with nothing to do with what you're actually doing at the moment.

Turns out that your route back into the folder is hidden away in a tiny spot in the top left of the screen. Even then all that gives you is a long-winded chance to double click another file.

It's as though this was designed by somebody deliberately setting out to ignore anything good or useful about previous incarnations of Windows. I suppose it's another example of the corporate mantra that change is good as an end in itself.
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 From:  Queeg 500 (JESUSONEEZ)    23 Apr 2013 08:12 
 To:  Wattsy (SLAYERPUNX)      11 of 32 
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I know you can change XBMC to be the shell instead of explorer.exe but I also have SABnzbd, SickBeard and Couchpotato starting up in Windows (once I've clicked 'Desktop').

Dave, I also miss 3D buttons. Buttons are supposed to be 3D. You push them, therefore they are buttons, dammit.

Windows 8 - We hate it in the pants, panties and in the ear
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 From:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)   23 Apr 2013 11:51 
 To:  Queeg 500 (JESUSONEEZ)       12 of 32 
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Desktop boots on logon, in the background anyway.

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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)   23 Apr 2013 12:11 
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Speculative speculation is speculative.

 :-{)

Happy now?
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 From:  milko   23 Apr 2013 12:37 
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)      14 of 32 
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*I know and you don't nyah nyah

more like!
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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)   23 Apr 2013 13:04 
 To:  milko      15 of 32 
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No comment.

Happy now?
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 From:  graphitone   23 Apr 2013 13:36 
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)      16 of 32 
40448.16 In reply to 40448.15 
Ah go on, let us in on the secret. Then we can all blab our source and you'll be famous like that Thurott twat chap.


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 From:  Queeg 500 (JESUSONEEZ)    24 Apr 2013 10:42 
 To:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)      17 of 32 
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Really? Everything I've ready has said that nothing in your Startup folder will start until you open the Desktop...

Windows 8 - We hate it in the pants, panties and in the ear
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 From:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)   24 Apr 2013 12:02 
 To:  Queeg 500 (JESUSONEEZ)       18 of 32 
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They're wrong!

Dan Herman
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 From:  Matt   24 Apr 2013 12:23 
 To:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)      19 of 32 
40448.19 In reply to 40448.18 
Are you sure?

I've done this (replacing the shell with XBMC.exe) and I'm sure I had the exact same symptom Jesus mentions. Entries in the Registry "Run" keys and Scheduled Tasks set to run before/on Login do start, but none of shortcuts placed in the Startup directory are run.

That was with Windows 7, not tried it with Windows 8 admittedly.

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 From:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)   24 Apr 2013 12:29 
 To:  Matt      20 of 32 
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Oh, yes, sorry - Start Up Folder I'm not sure about. I only have one small tray icon in there.

Personally, I'd just put everything into Registry Run key if that's a problem.

(This isn't the most secure thing, but I have my laptop set to automatically log in. Nothing fancy, just the same as logging in at the console, as in it goes to Metro. In the registry run keys I have got a .vbs script which locks the workstation. I boot my laptop, get a brew and by the time I get back it's locked and everything is ready to go)

Edit: No, that's a lie - I had a feeling. My .vbs script is in Start-Up and definitely runs with no interaction.

Edit 2: I'm miles away today. Yeah, it won't work if you replace the shell. That makes sense because explorer.exe is responsible for running things in the Start Up folder.

Dan Herman
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   24 Apr 2013 13:27 
 To:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)      21 of 32 
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I used to do that. Automatic login and a lock file in the startup folder to make sure everything in the background starts so I'm not sat waiting an age for all that stuff to start.
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 From:  Manthorp   24 Apr 2013 14:33 
 To:  william (WILLIAMA)      22 of 32 
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I suppose it's another example of the corporate mantra that change is good as an end in itself.

I think it was either more inept or more manipulative than that.  Either their futurologists had predicted a much greater roll-out of touchscreen pcs and laptops by the time Win8 was released and they just fucked up, or - more likely, I think - they decided that pissing off a substantial minority of their users was a price worth paying to get huge numbers of people used to the UI in order to help them to make up a bit of the distance against the Android and iPad OSes they need if they're going to make any headway in the tablet market.
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)   24 Apr 2013 17:24 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      23 of 32 
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I prefer to balance an AK-47 on top of my monitor.
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 From:  koswix   24 Apr 2013 18:25 
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)      24 of 32 
40448.24 In reply to 40448.23 
Racist.


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