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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  ANT_THOMAS     
40262.4 In reply to 40262.3 
It can open them but it's not 100% with formatting and stuff.

No excuse for not using .odt these days though. Office can save those now, right?
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)  
 To:  ANT_THOMAS     
40262.5 In reply to 40262.3 
I've been able to open docx without apparent problems. We get docs from a range of MSOffice versions (97 - 2010, Win/Mac), with fair to poor cross-compatibility in terms of preserving formatting (or even being able to open). Libre does it just as well, maybe even better IME, especially with the newer MSO versions.

Haven't tried spreadsheets, nor heard good things about the ppt thing in terms of compatability with MS originals.
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
40262.6 In reply to 40262.4 
Yep, seems my Office 2010 can handle .odt and I agree everyone using an open standard would be great. Never gonna happen though in the short term.
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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)   
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)     
40262.7 In reply to 40262.2 
In the OP, for "I need to get a 'proper' office suite. iWork won't cut it, and like it or not, pretty much the whole industry uses MS Office", please read:
"I need to get MS Office. iWork/OpenOffice/LibreOffice/NeoOffice/WhateverthefuckOffice won't cut it."

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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  ANT_THOMAS     
40262.8 In reply to 40262.6 
Hmmm. Thought it'd pretty much happened. On the rare occasions I get such things from clients they tend to be in the open thngies these days.
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)     
40262.9 In reply to 40262.5 
From what I've seen animations get totally fucked when using ppt/pptx with the major free office packages. Shame really. Wish I could move away from MS Office. Thankfully it runs nicely with Wine on ubuntu 12.04.
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
40262.10 In reply to 40262.8 
Hmm, only seen one .odt (or the spreadsheet version) ever.

Everything I get is either .doc/.docx or PDF. Since most people use Office and .doc/.docx is the default file type to save so that's what gets churned out.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)  
 To:  ANT_THOMAS     
40262.11 In reply to 40262.9 
Everything made with ppt is fucked.
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  ANT_THOMAS     
40262.12 In reply to 40262.10 
Might be because I tend to deal with a lot of filthy mac users. I've heard compatibility between MS Office on mac and windows is about as good as Libre Office/MS Office.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)  
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40262.13 In reply to 40262.7 
Another satisfied MS customer...
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
40262.14 In reply to 40262.12 
Weirdly, I've found Office Mac 2003 is better at opening Office Win <2010 than Office Win 2010.
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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)   
 To:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)     
40262.15 In reply to 40262.14 
Office Mac 2003

Doesn't exist. Either Office 2003 or Office Mac 2004.

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 From:  JonCooper  
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40262.16 
more than the usual amount of bastards in this thread...

Jon
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  JonCooper     
40262.17 In reply to 40262.16 
2 now you're here ;-)
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 From:  patch  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
40262.18 In reply to 40262.4 
God, I'm just imagining trying to explain to people at the NHS what a .odt file is, and then trying to explain why they should use it. Even though I work for an NHS IT agency, 90% of them just wouldn't get it.
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  patch     
40262.19 In reply to 40262.18 
Exactly. Most people I came across were baffled by the .doc/.docx difference.
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 From:  CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)  
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)      
40262.20 In reply to 40262.15 
There shouldn't be any Office Mac, ever.
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 From:  Dave!!  
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)      
40262.21 In reply to 40262.1 
To be honest, I don't mind the ribbon in Office 2010 and Office 2007, I got used to it without any real problems.

I hate Office 2013 not because of the ribbon, but because they've purged all colour and shading from it in order to turn it into a sea of definition-less black and white. After using at work for a few hours on my test rig, I felt like my brain was boiling as it just required so much more effort to be able to use.

So there we are.
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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)   
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40262.22 In reply to 40262.1 
OK, thanks to Matt I now have attachments powerz! And, as thrilling as the discussion on open file formats and office suite interaction was, we didn't really anywhere approach the real issue.

So let's give it another go, shall we kids?

In preparation for possible consulting work, I need to get MS Office. iWork/OpenOffice/LibreOffice/NeoOffice/WhateverthefuckOffice won't cut it because, like it or not, pretty much the whole industry uses MS Office.

For those of you who've been using O2013, and specifically XL2013, I'd appreciate your feedback on one of my most hated bugbears in XL2010. I only realised that things might have changed when I downloaded an evaluation copy of O2011 (Mac) and found XL2011 gets this bit right (although it's had its data analysis innards ripped out.)

The bugbear involves adding error bars to data points on a graph. Attached is a small XL file to play with, and screenshots of how XL2010 and XL2011 handle things.

In XL2010 you style the data series. Then you add the error bars. But in order to do that you have to click on a different tab in the ribbon ('Layout'), then click 'Error Bars', 'More Error Bars Options'. From the dialogue box, 'Verical Error Bars', 'Custom' and specify the error from columns D and E (depending on the data selected, natch).

And even then XL adds feckin' horizontal bars as well :@

In XL2011, things are a whole lot easier. Error bars are just selected from the same dialogue that you use to format the data series (and series order can also be changed here!)

So, gentle forumites, has XL2013 learned the ways of grace and good UI design from XL2011, or is it still as retarded as its buck-toothed, slack-jawed predecessor?

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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)      
40262.23 In reply to 40262.22 
I very rarely use office applications but I quite like Libre Office. It works well when people send me stupid office documents that I don't care about. If I actually want to write something in formatted text or make a spreadsheet (even rarer) then I just use Abiword and Gnumeric respectively.

I suppose you could try Google Docs though. Lots of people seem to like that and it supports open formats which I know are important to you.
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