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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)   5 Nov 2012 13:49 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      49 of 432 
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quote: Ken (SHIELDSIT)
an area where all programs and settings are easily accessible

You mean like the Start Screen?

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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   5 Nov 2012 16:43 
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)      50 of 432 
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Are you honestly compairing the start screen to the start menu?


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 From:  patch   5 Nov 2012 16:50 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      51 of 432 
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The Start screen is the start menu. Just bigger and with more colours.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   5 Nov 2012 16:53 
 To:  patch      52 of 432 
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And laid out by a retard. There is no rhyme or reason and no grouping really. If you don't pin things you need you end up spending all day hunting for stuff. Damn I think I'm getting old and grumpy.


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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)   5 Nov 2012 17:11 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      53 of 432 
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Or you just start typing the name of the thing you want and it goes into Search mode automatically.

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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   5 Nov 2012 17:14 
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)      54 of 432 
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So explain this to me.  They removed the start button, but require you to either hover down where it used to be or press the windows button on the keyboard to get to the new start screen.  How is that better?  I think it's change just to change and I think it's far worse for finding things.

 

 

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 From:  JonCooper   5 Nov 2012 17:15 
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)      55 of 432 
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how do you find stuff if you don't know it's name?


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 From:  ANT_THOMAS    5 Nov 2012 17:22 
 To:  JonCooper      56 of 432 
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How do you do that normally?

Or do you usually just look for the icon?
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 From:  JonCooper   5 Nov 2012 18:01 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS       57 of 432 
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I go into control panel and look for something that seems to fit what I'm trying to do
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS    5 Nov 2012 18:05 
 To:  JonCooper      58 of 432 
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Have you tried the typing thing in Windows 7?

I can more often find what I want by typing what I'm thinking rather than using the control panel.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   5 Nov 2012 18:08 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS       59 of 432 
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That's how I usually do it, at the um start menu.


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 From:  patch   5 Nov 2012 18:27 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      60 of 432 
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Mouse to the bottom-left corner. Click.

It's almost like doing it in Windows 7.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   5 Nov 2012 18:32 
 To:  patch      61 of 432 
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But that only takes you to a mess of a screen with no organization at all.  No grouping of programs just rows and rows of icons sorted in a haphazard jumble.

 

And if they put that down there what is the purpose of changing the way it works?

 

 

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 From:  patch   5 Nov 2012 18:49 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      62 of 432 
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No, it takes you to a very large Start menu. Except in this version it's up to you to organise it, so that it fits you best. They started doing it with the ability to pin applications to the old Start Menu.

You can tell it's just the same thing from the way that installing VLC gives you a load of icons that you'll never click on, same as it put a load of entries in the Windows 7 Start menu but you just didn't see them because you didn't go that far down the All Programs tree.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   5 Nov 2012 18:53 
 To:  patch      63 of 432 
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So I can create folders?

 

The way it chooses what is shown on the very big start menu is very random, and then you have to right click and say show all apps and find the one you want in that sea of icons.  I don't care, you won't change my mind and convince me this way is better, because it's not.

 

(and I'm only arguing on the desktop/laptop side of things) the new start menu and tiles is perfectly acceptable for tablets and phones.  But to force this fucking nightmare on everyone is unforgivable. 

 

 

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 From:  milko   5 Nov 2012 18:56 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      64 of 432 
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You can change what it chooses to show though, and how it's all grouped. So you can have it just like you might want it to be.


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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   5 Nov 2012 18:58 
 To:  milko      65 of 432 
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And how am I supposed to know that?  They change shit but don't tell you anything about it!  I don't have time to search for a fix to something that should just work!

 

Dear God, I sound like Peter.

 

 

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 From:  patch   5 Nov 2012 18:58 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      66 of 432 
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Did you create folders on the old Menu?

Like I said, you have to organise what shows up on the Screen and in what order yourself. The only reason you didn't have to on the old Menu was because you couldn't see them unless you went looking.

I don't know about "unforgivable". I've got no real problems with it, and I've only been using it since yesterday. Maybe you're just getting old and stuck in your ways. Time to get a rocking chair out on the porch, I reckon.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   5 Nov 2012 19:02 
 To:  patch      67 of 432 
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No, the old way was automatic.  Every program you installed created a folder group on the start menu.  Everyone who ever touched a computer knew to click start/windows button and all your programs would be there!  Now it's a crap shoot to figure out where they are!

 

And yes, I suspect I am getting too old because change like this used to excite me.  But now I don't have time to fix something that shouldn't be broke.

 

 

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 From:  patch   5 Nov 2012 19:03 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      68 of 432 
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Shush, Gramps.
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