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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)  
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      
40020.48 In reply to 40020.47 
IIRC it was in a review(s) of several tablets (including the one from Next) around the time after the iPad2 was launched.

Can't find the review(s) now. I think one was in PCPro and the other Trusted Reviews. But that's stretching my terrible memory beyond breaking point TBH.

And I agree that it's shit in so many ways, but people buy this shit for they know no better (or it's good/cheap enough for them not to care), but they get a shit experience from it. Allegedly.

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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)  
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)     
40020.49 In reply to 40020.39 
an area where all programs and settings are easily accessible

You mean like the Start Screen?

Happy now?

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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)     
40020.50 In reply to 40020.49 
Are you honestly compairing the start screen to the start menu?


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 From:  patch  
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)     
40020.51 In reply to 40020.50 
The Start screen is the start menu. Just bigger and with more colours.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
 To:  patch     
40020.52 In reply to 40020.51 
And laid out by a retard. There is no rhyme or reason and no grouping really. If you don't pin things you need you end up spending all day hunting for stuff. Damn I think I'm getting old and grumpy.


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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)  
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)     
40020.53 In reply to 40020.52 
Or you just start typing the name of the thing you want and it goes into Search mode automatically.

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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)     
40020.54 In reply to 40020.53 

So explain this to me.  They removed the start button, but require you to either hover down where it used to be or press the windows button on the keyboard to get to the new start screen.  How is that better?  I think it's change just to change and I think it's far worse for finding things.

 

 

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 From:  JonCooper  
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)     
40020.55 In reply to 40020.53 
how do you find stuff if you don't know it's name?



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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   
 To:  JonCooper     
40020.56 In reply to 40020.55 
How do you do that normally?

Or do you usually just look for the icon?
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 From:  JonCooper  
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      
40020.57 In reply to 40020.56 
I go into control panel and look for something that seems to fit what I'm trying to do

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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   
 To:  JonCooper     
40020.58 In reply to 40020.57 
Have you tried the typing thing in Windows 7?

I can more often find what I want by typing what I'm thinking rather than using the control panel.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      
40020.59 In reply to 40020.58 
That's how I usually do it, at the um start menu.


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 From:  patch  
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)     
40020.60 In reply to 40020.54 
Mouse to the bottom-left corner. Click.

It's almost like doing it in Windows 7.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
 To:  patch     
40020.61 In reply to 40020.60 

But that only takes you to a mess of a screen with no organization at all.  No grouping of programs just rows and rows of icons sorted in a haphazard jumble.

 

And if they put that down there what is the purpose of changing the way it works?

 

 

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 From:  patch  
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)     
40020.62 In reply to 40020.61 
No, it takes you to a very large Start menu. Except in this version it's up to you to organise it, so that it fits you best. They started doing it with the ability to pin applications to the old Start Menu.

You can tell it's just the same thing from the way that installing VLC gives you a load of icons that you'll never click on, same as it put a load of entries in the Windows 7 Start menu but you just didn't see them because you didn't go that far down the All Programs tree.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
 To:  patch     
40020.63 In reply to 40020.62 

So I can create folders?

 

The way it chooses what is shown on the very big start menu is very random, and then you have to right click and say show all apps and find the one you want in that sea of icons.  I don't care, you won't change my mind and convince me this way is better, because it's not.

 

(and I'm only arguing on the desktop/laptop side of things) the new start menu and tiles is perfectly acceptable for tablets and phones.  But to force this fucking nightmare on everyone is unforgivable. 

 

 

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 From:  milko  
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)     
40020.64 In reply to 40020.63 

You can change what it chooses to show though, and how it's all grouped. So you can have it just like you might want it to be.


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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
 To:  milko     
40020.65 In reply to 40020.64 

And how am I supposed to know that?  They change shit but don't tell you anything about it!  I don't have time to search for a fix to something that should just work!

 

Dear God, I sound like Peter.

 

 

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 From:  patch  
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)     
40020.66 In reply to 40020.63 
Did you create folders on the old Menu?

Like I said, you have to organise what shows up on the Screen and in what order yourself. The only reason you didn't have to on the old Menu was because you couldn't see them unless you went looking.

I don't know about "unforgivable". I've got no real problems with it, and I've only been using it since yesterday. Maybe you're just getting old and stuck in your ways. Time to get a rocking chair out on the porch, I reckon.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
 To:  patch     
40020.67 In reply to 40020.66 

No, the old way was automatic.  Every program you installed created a folder group on the start menu.  Everyone who ever touched a computer knew to click start/windows button and all your programs would be there!  Now it's a crap shoot to figure out where they are!

 

And yes, I suspect I am getting too old because change like this used to excite me.  But now I don't have time to fix something that shouldn't be broke.

 

 

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