11:14 - arqueturus: btw what's your feeling on Windows 8?
11:14 - P: I wouldn't listen to me
11:14 - P: I think everyone's talking bollocks
11:14 - arqueturus: haha
11:14 - P: my experience on Win8 is twofold
11:15 - arqueturus: I'm asking you because I expect a balanced opinion rather than the knee jerk reactions that are rampant
11:15 - arqueturus: so, pony up
11:15 - P: a) for an avergae non-power user it's amazing.  Everything is on screen when you sign in, you get your email/calendar/updates right on the metro desktop.  It's a slightl tie-in to Microsoft services, but there's nothing stopping google & co from changing that, and the average joe just doesn't care.  It's an OS I could give to my grandad and he'd get it
11:16 - P: if you already use/are familiar with Windows Phone 7+, the metro bit is just like that but on your PC
11:16 - arqueturus: I have windows 8 btw
11:16 - arqueturus: I also think everyone is talking bollocks
11:16 - P: for power users: the desktop is still there and works exactly like it used to, so there's nothing you're losing.  It's a lot faster and more resource efficient than Win7 and you can do anything you used to do in it
11:17 - P: the ONE change you get is that your start menu isn't a menu, it's a screen
11:17 - P: but if you're a power Win7 user then you use the keyboard, and you pres Start and type the name of a program
11:17 - P: and that still works in Win8
11:17 - P: the Win8 store is locked down and that is a Good Thing for the same reason that it's a Good Thing that Apple vet apps for the iPad: it stops my grandad installing shit
11:17 - P: but I can still put anything I like on my desktop
11:18 - P: and yes, it's possibly a little over-restrictive right now, but I'd rather they started like that and loosened up than let all the crap in straight away
11:18 - P: Personally from what I've seen (I used the CTPs and the RTM demo) I think it's great
11:18 - P: Intend to upgrade ASAP
11:18 - arqueturus: i have it
11:19 - P: how're you finding it?
11:19 - arqueturus: fine
11:19 - arqueturus: but then, I barely use the start menu
11:19 - arqueturus: in general
11:19 - P: even if you do, it's not that different IMO
11:19 - arqueturus: nah
11:19 - P: just people getting their knickers in a twist
11:19 - P: and personally I think MS have done a great job of making something that works on all form factors
11:20 - P: I've been fine on it w/Mouse & keys
11:20 - P: and on a touchscreen it's ace
11:20 - P: so i just don't get the complaints
11:20 - arqueturus: there are some things they should have altered, for instance hotspots are a bit feckless on none touch screen
11:20 - arqueturus: i upgraded my pc a month or so back
11:20 - P: you've got the instant-response of a mobile OS (the resume-from-standby time is amazing!) and the power of everything else
11:20 - P: by the end of 2013, they'll have the same OS on mobiles as you have on your PC
11:20 - P: that can't be a bad thing

you're all power users

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(Yeah that was something I read way before it came out. But still, the salient bit is that the old UI is there as an entirely discrete and separate option)