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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)   19 Nov 2012 02:49 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      141 of 432 
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Hey, I'm with you. Win8 is a sack of bollocks.

(don't mind metro though :Y )
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   19 Nov 2012 03:31 
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)      142 of 432 
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Nope me either, on a touch device it's not too shabby.


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 From:  arq (ARQUETURUS)   19 Nov 2012 19:22 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      143 of 432 
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quote: Ken (SHIELDSIT)
You could also look at it like this:  If the USA Today is reporting it, it must be a big story.

You'll all soon see that I'm correct and you are all /wrong/.


Which bit were they wrong about exactly? The removal of the start menu?
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   19 Nov 2012 19:25 
 To:  arq (ARQUETURUS)      144 of 432 
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That and pushing metro on enterprise.  Metro is great for touch based devices, but it will /never/ work for enterprise.  I said /never/!  :)


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 From:  arq (ARQUETURUS)   19 Nov 2012 19:30 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      145 of 432 
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You see, I think Metro isn't so bad for enterprise. It's like have a desktop with specific widgets on it. I do dislike 'corners' though.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   19 Nov 2012 19:34 
 To:  arq (ARQUETURUS)      146 of 432 
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Yeah, and the corners are even tougher on multi-monitors and RDP.  It's not that Metro is bad really, but no one cares when they are at work.  There are days upon days that I never see my desktop, and others have excel or Great Plains or whatever opened all day, they don't care about live tiles.  But they do care when they try to open a program and have to navigate a poorly implemented start screen, when it just to be as easy as clicking start/windows button and picking what you want.


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 From:  milko   19 Nov 2012 19:43 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      147 of 432 
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haha it still is pressing windows button and picking what you want! eeeh. HOW WILL I SEE MY ICON NOW ITS BIGGER AND THERE'S LESS OF THEM
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   19 Nov 2012 19:48 
 To:  milko      148 of 432 
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So if it's the same, why is it now different?  What is better about pressing the keyboard key?  Why change it?  It was fine.  And the only tiles you see are the ones you don't even want to see.


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 From:  patch   19 Nov 2012 20:02 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      149 of 432 
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You can re-arrange the icons. Have you not tried doing that? Also, clicking in the bottom-left corner of the screen brings the Start window up.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   19 Nov 2012 20:05 
 To:  patch      150 of 432 
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I have not, because I'm not using the rubbish.  Oh wait, I suddenly love Windows 8 now.  So carry on, while I enjoy the fantastic changes!


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 From:  patch   19 Nov 2012 20:12 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      151 of 432 
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I think we're just having a few problems working out why you keep complaining about bits of Windows 8 not doing things that they actually can do.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   19 Nov 2012 20:14 
 To:  patch      152 of 432 
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Where do I keep complaining about it?  I think if look you'll see that over and over I keep saying they've changed things just to change them and didn't put any thought into it.  There is nothing better about Windows 8 for desktop/laptop.


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 From:  patch   19 Nov 2012 20:23 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      153 of 432 
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Ah, so you're disliking it on a philosophical level? Can't help you with that. Try Drew. He thinks a lot.
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 From:  patch   19 Nov 2012 20:26 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      154 of 432 
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Though, I'd have to say I disagree with you. As far as I'm concerned, the Start menu just got bigger and more colourful, and isn't filled with folders of icons for programs that I never use, like Safe Mode for VLC (whatever that does). And if I do want to look at those useless icons, there's a simple way of doing so.

No improvement at all, really.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   19 Nov 2012 20:26 
 To:  patch      155 of 432 
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Mostly.  I have used it and it doesn't improve efficiency or make my job easier so it fails more than on a philosophical level.  It comes down to Microsoft thinking they know better how I need to use my computer, and that they needed more money.  No one will pay for Windows 7 again, so they had to fuck it up and hype it as something new and better. 


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 From:  arq (ARQUETURUS)   19 Nov 2012 20:32 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      156 of 432 
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Blimey you really aren't keen are you?

It strikes me that Live tiles are kinda similar to Windows 3.1, well except for the live part :P

Thinking about how I use my PC, I think my experience will be improved over Win 7, I can't remember the last time I used the 'programs' part of the start menu, I just pin stuff to it and more likely stuff to the task bar. All my games i pretty much run from Steam.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   19 Nov 2012 20:39 
 To:  arq (ARQUETURUS)      157 of 432 
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Not really :)

I tend to do the same, pin the things I use every day and search (usually) from the start menu for other things.  But I do use the start menu to open programs from time to time as well.

I'm not usually like this, so I'm thinking Peter put some kind of fucking voodoo on me.  But I really, really don't like what they've done.  Phone and Tablet, it's great. But there was no need to force this out to desktop.  And it's going to be even worse when people discover RT can't run programs that the other version can.  Normal people can't be bothered to follow all this mess.


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 From:  arq (ARQUETURUS)   19 Nov 2012 21:24 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      158 of 432 
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quote: Ken (SHIELDSIT)
Not really :)

I tend to do the same, pin the things I use every day and search (usually) from the start menu for other things.  But I do use the start menu to open programs from time to time as well.

I'm not usually like this, so I'm thinking Peter put some kind of fucking voodoo on me.  But I really, really don't like what they've done.  Phone and Tablet, it's great. But there was no need to force this out to desktop.  And it's going to be even worse when people discover RT can't run programs that the other version can.  Normal people can't be bothered to follow all this mess.

I disagree, normal people haven't got a fucking clue and will be fine with it - look at iOS. We're abnormal you see.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   19 Nov 2012 21:26 
 To:  arq (ARQUETURUS)      159 of 432 
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I think normal people know that an ipad app won't run on a Mac, but when it's marketed as Windows that's different.  They are pushing Windows on all devices, but wait, you can't run that on this Windows, you need the other Windows.  Whut?


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 From:  arq (ARQUETURUS)   19 Nov 2012 21:32 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      160 of 432 
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But have they always?

You're looking at the situation from a position of intelligent bias. Normal folk really aren't that clever.
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