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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)      
39861.51 In reply to 39861.49 
No one's suggesting it's proof.

We just have an effect without a cause (or at least that's one way of looking at it). So, if you do look at it that way, 'God' is one of the names for the imagined cause and/or objective. Belief ranges from the extreme impersonal, where it's just a concept, a handy placeholder to fill in a gap in reasoning (like 'i' in maths), to the extreme personal where it's an intelligent entity with a personality and 'being'.

Much like points on a euclidean plane, whether they exist or not is beside the point, the point is that they are useful.
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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)   
 To:  graphitone     
39861.52 In reply to 39861.50 

I realise that it's an oversimplification of many complex ideas, but he irrevocably insulted even my meagre intelligence halfway through when he stated that where there's the internet there's prosperity and where there's no internet there's poverty.

 

Cart before horse, init?

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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)   
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
39861.53 In reply to 39861.51 
No one's suggesting it's proof.

Ahh, right. I took this...
I don't think many people would object to the philosophical proposition that there was some intelligent impetus involved in the creation of the universe

...to mean that the presence of the universe was proof (or supporting evidence) of something other than pure chance (whether you call that god, higher deity, or Edith Ramsbottom is not important). Because I think that at least Jon and I object to your assertion.

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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)      
39861.54 In reply to 39861.53 
No, didn't mean to suggest 'proof' at all (because that would be ridiculous, because if there was proof everyone but the insane would believe, obviously).

I was just saying that I think most people would find the idea that God created the earth and all its life 6000 years ago pretty fucking stupid. Whereas I think most people would tolerate someone believing that there was a creator of the universe since no one knows any better.
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 From:  JonCooper  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
39861.55 In reply to 39861.54 
I would be willing to tolerate you believing that there was a creator of the universe if you could tolerate me believing it was a total random accident

Jon
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  JonCooper     
39861.56 In reply to 39861.55 
I have no fucking clue what I believe but I'm happy for you to believe what you like (hug)
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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)   
 To:  JonCooper     
39861.57 In reply to 39861.55 
+1god

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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
 To:  JonCooper     
39861.58 In reply to 39861.55 
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if you could tolerate me believing it was a total random accident

Nope, I can't tolerate that.

Accident means something was attempted and failed.

Which requires some entity to attempt something.

And that's not the intent of the idea you're attempting to express.

You can believe what you like, but use the correct words! :@
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 From:  JonCooper  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
39861.59 In reply to 39861.58 
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Accident means something was attempted and failed.


uh, no

accident means something unintentional happened

I don't believe anyone/anything intentionally meant to create a universe

just a bunch of random stuff happened and later on we turned up to look at it

Jon
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Message 39861.60 deleted 22 May 2015 14:59 by 53NORTH

 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
 To:  JonCooper     
39861.61 In reply to 39861.59 
Yes, unintentional - as in not what was intended to happen. Something else was intended to happen, but it didn't go as planned. Intent requires at least some level of sentience.

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I don't believe anyone/anything intentionally meant to create a universe

Of course not, that's why you called it an accident and not a success.
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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)   
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
39861.62 In reply to 39861.61 
Could you accept 'happenstance', 'by chance', or 'fortuitously'?

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 From:  JonCooper  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
39861.63 In reply to 39861.61 
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unintentional - as in not what was intended to happen


no, I don't see it that way

more 'unintentional' - as in no-one intended anything to happen
there were no entities of any kind, no-one had a plan

just - sometimes shit happens

Jon
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 From:  graphitone  
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)      
39861.64 In reply to 39861.52 

Yeah, I don't agree with everything he says either, but like but I do like him as a presenter, he's a natural talker and brings physics down to a level even I can understand.

 

Yep, there must have been prosperity before the tech for the tech to exist. People were prosperous before the internet, good job as well, no doubt some significant cash was shoehorned into R&D.

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 From:  JonCooper  
 To:  graphitone     
39861.65 In reply to 39861.64 
I finally finished watching that - I particularly liked that he is looking for a way to leave the universe ;-)

Jon
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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)   
 To:  graphitone     
39861.66 In reply to 39861.64 
I don't deny he talks well.

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 From:  graphitone  
 To:  JonCooper     
39861.67 In reply to 39861.65 
I know how he feels, it's too claustrophobic in this universe, we need somewhere bigger. Hopefully with more storage space and a shoe rack.
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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)  
 To:  koswix     
39861.68 In reply to 39861.11 
They can if you put them in front of a mirror angled at 45 degrees to the floor.

Happy now?

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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)  
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I am of the opinion that this universe is a procedurally-generated simulation of a universe created by an intelligence of some sort in another universe, which is, in itself, a simulation, and so on, like turtles, all the way out to one original universe, which is probably more easily explicable according to whatever laws of physics govern it, those being entirely different from our own.

 

If anybody is interested, I can demonstrate how this theory answers several of the remaining unanswered questions of existence and metaphysics.

Happy now?

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 From:  Manthorp  
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)     
39861.70 In reply to 39861.69 
I'm not interested, for one.

"We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked."
James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951

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