No shit Sherlock: my braynz num :(

From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	5 Sep 2012 16:53
To:	JonCooper	41 of 74

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There was no vastness of the universe, that's the point. There was nothing (no matter, no space, no time, no energy) and then there was a universe. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	JonCooper	5 Sep 2012 16:56
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	42 of 74

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and you think something caused that? Jon

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	5 Sep 2012 17:07
To:	JonCooper	43 of 74

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Surely the matter came from somewhere, caused by something.

What that thing is is the debate to me.

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	5 Sep 2012 17:12
To:	JonCooper	44 of 74

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I don't know. All I'm saying is that it's not an unreasonable thing to believe. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	5 Sep 2012 17:23
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	45 of 74

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quote: no matter, no space, no time, no energy Oooh, I am so close to starting a universe. :D `3.1415P265E589T932E846R64338`

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From:	JonCooper	5 Sep 2012 17:26
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I'm sure the matter came from somewhere, what I dispute is that someone/something caused it all Jon

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From:	koswix	5 Sep 2012 19:15
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	47 of 74

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Less/fewer. Now shut up and fuck off :C

                                                
                                                
                                                
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If Feds call you and say something bad on me, it may prove what I said are truth, they are afraid of it.

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	5 Sep 2012 19:42
To:	koswix	48 of 74

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Fewer/less , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \* \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)	5 Sep 2012 20:12
To:	JonCooper	49 of 74

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More to the point, how do we know that there weren't numerous previous attempts at a 'big bang', that all failed for some reason, and this is just the one that 'got lucky'? Sort of a universal shit/wall situation.

There may have been previous universes that created and died before our own. Or indeed, numerous parallel universes right now.

I agree with you, the presence of this universe is not proof (or even supporting evidence) of a higher deity at work. But you can't tell the fucking catholics that.

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From:	graphitone	5 Sep 2012 20:32
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Y'all need to shut up and listen to this man. The theory (some of) the physics boys have for the big bang and creation of the universe is from an offshoot of another universe. I know it's long, but it's an interesting watch. Drawings n' that

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	5 Sep 2012 21:14
To:	99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)	51 of 74

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No one's suggesting it's proof. We just have an effect without a cause (or at least that's one way of looking at it). So, if you do look at it that way, 'God' is one of the names for the imagined cause and/or objective. Belief ranges from the extreme impersonal, where it's just a concept, a handy placeholder to fill in a gap in reasoning (like 'i' in maths), to the extreme personal where it's an intelligent entity with a personality and 'being'. Much like points on a euclidean plane, whether they exist or not is beside the point, the point is that they are useful. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)	5 Sep 2012 21:47
To:	graphitone	52 of 74

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I realise that it's an oversimplification of many complex ideas, but he irrevocably insulted even my meagre intelligence halfway through when he stated that where there's the internet there's prosperity and where there's no internet there's poverty.

Cart before horse, init?

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From:	99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)	5 Sep 2012 21:53
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	53 of 74

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quote: Lucy (X3N0PH0N) No one's suggesting it's proof. Ahh, right. I took this... quote: Lucy (X3N0PH0N) I don't think many people would object to the philosophical proposition that there was some intelligent impetus involved in the creation of the universe ...to mean that the presence of the universe was proof (or supporting evidence) of something other than pure chance (whether you call that god, higher deity, or Edith Ramsbottom is not important). Because I think that at least Jon and I object to your assertion. bastard by name bastard by nature If Feds call you and say something bad on me, it may prove what I said are truth, they are afraid of it.

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	5 Sep 2012 21:59
To:	99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)	54 of 74

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No, didn't mean to suggest 'proof' at all (because that would be ridiculous, because if there was proof everyone but the insane would believe, obviously). I was just saying that I think most people would find the idea that God created the earth and all its life 6000 years ago pretty fucking stupid. Whereas I think most people would tolerate someone believing that there was a creator of the universe since no one knows any better. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	JonCooper	5 Sep 2012 22:03
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	55 of 74

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I would be willing to tolerate you believing that there was a creator of the universe if you could tolerate me believing it was a total random accident Jon

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	5 Sep 2012 22:08
To:	JonCooper	56 of 74

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I have no fucking clue what I believe but I'm happy for you to believe what you like (hug) , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)	5 Sep 2012 22:22
To:	JonCooper	57 of 74

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+1^god bastard by name bastard by nature If Feds call you and say something bad on me, it may prove what I said are truth, they are afraid of it.

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From:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	5 Sep 2012 22:47
To:	JonCooper	58 of 74

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quote: if you could tolerate me believing it was a total random accident Nope, I can't tolerate that. Accident means something was attempted and failed. Which requires some entity to attempt something. And that's not the intent of the idea you're attempting to express. You can believe what you like, but use the correct words! :@ `3.1415P265E589T932E846R64338`

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From:	JonCooper	6 Sep 2012 00:25
To:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	59 of 74

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quote: Accident means something was attempted and failed. uh, no accident means something unintentional happened I don't believe anyone/anything intentionally meant to create a universe just a bunch of random stuff happened and later on we turned up to look at it Jon

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