No shit Sherlock: my braynz num :(

From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	5 Sep 2012 15:45
To:	Dan (HERMAND)	33 of 74

39861.33 In reply to 39861.32
Yeah there is. It confuses the argument and is unfair to genuine creationists who get lumped in with groups who are incredibly stupid and often evil. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Dan (HERMAND)	5 Sep 2012 15:48
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	34 of 74

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Well, fortunately for us, there is no higher authority in language and popular meaning. You'll just have to group this with annoyances like "Photoshop to mean editing an image in any piece of software" and the term "Hoover" to mean any vacuum cleaner. Dan Herman

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	5 Sep 2012 15:50
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Yes there is, there's PB. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	5 Sep 2012 15:52
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	36 of 74

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:D `3.1415P265E589T932E846R64338`

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	5 Sep 2012 15:56
To:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	37 of 74

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(hug) , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	JonCooper	5 Sep 2012 16:26
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	38 of 74

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quote: I don't think many people would object to the philosophical proposition that there was some intelligent impetus involved in the creation of the universe me - I object you know when you leave an Orange for a while and the outside goes all green etc? That's us - we are the mouldy crap on the surface of the Earth, we shouldn't be here and it's all just a huge accident Jon

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	5 Sep 2012 16:41
To:	JonCooper	39 of 74

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That's fine. But that's going from something to something. Going from nothing to something is more philosophically problematic. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	JonCooper	5 Sep 2012 16:52
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	40 of 74

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nah, in the vastness of the universe it pretty much had to happen somewhere - why here? cos we are still stuck where the accident occurred Jon

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	5 Sep 2012 16:53
To:	JonCooper	41 of 74

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There was no vastness of the universe, that's the point. There was nothing (no matter, no space, no time, no energy) and then there was a universe. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	JonCooper	5 Sep 2012 16:56
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	42 of 74

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and you think something caused that? Jon

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	5 Sep 2012 17:07
To:	JonCooper	43 of 74

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Surely the matter came from somewhere, caused by something.

What that thing is is the debate to me.

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	5 Sep 2012 17:12
To:	JonCooper	44 of 74

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I don't know. All I'm saying is that it's not an unreasonable thing to believe. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	5 Sep 2012 17:23
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	45 of 74

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quote: no matter, no space, no time, no energy Oooh, I am so close to starting a universe. :D `3.1415P265E589T932E846R64338`

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From:	JonCooper	5 Sep 2012 17:26
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I'm sure the matter came from somewhere, what I dispute is that someone/something caused it all Jon

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From:	koswix	5 Sep 2012 19:15
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	47 of 74

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Less/fewer. Now shut up and fuck off :C

                                                
                                                
                                                
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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	5 Sep 2012 19:42
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Fewer/less , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \* \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)	5 Sep 2012 20:12
To:	JonCooper	49 of 74

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More to the point, how do we know that there weren't numerous previous attempts at a 'big bang', that all failed for some reason, and this is just the one that 'got lucky'? Sort of a universal shit/wall situation.

There may have been previous universes that created and died before our own. Or indeed, numerous parallel universes right now.

I agree with you, the presence of this universe is not proof (or even supporting evidence) of a higher deity at work. But you can't tell the fucking catholics that.

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From:	graphitone	5 Sep 2012 20:32
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Y'all need to shut up and listen to this man. The theory (some of) the physics boys have for the big bang and creation of the universe is from an offshoot of another universe. I know it's long, but it's an interesting watch. Drawings n' that

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	5 Sep 2012 21:14
To:	99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)	51 of 74

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No one's suggesting it's proof. We just have an effect without a cause (or at least that's one way of looking at it). So, if you do look at it that way, 'God' is one of the names for the imagined cause and/or objective. Belief ranges from the extreme impersonal, where it's just a concept, a handy placeholder to fill in a gap in reasoning (like 'i' in maths), to the extreme personal where it's an intelligent entity with a personality and 'being'. Much like points on a euclidean plane, whether they exist or not is beside the point, the point is that they are useful. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)	5 Sep 2012 21:47
To:	graphitone	52 of 74

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I realise that it's an oversimplification of many complex ideas, but he irrevocably insulted even my meagre intelligence halfway through when he stated that where there's the internet there's prosperity and where there's no internet there's poverty.

Cart before horse, init?

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