Employment issues ask-me-do

From:	patch	1 Jul 2012 12:47
To:	koswix	58 of 128

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So there's at least a slight chance, then?

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From:	Mikee	3 Jul 2012 16:20
To:	ALL	59 of 128

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I don't have an 'issue' to talk about, so much, but there's a lot happening here right now!

A few months ago they got rid of most of the management team (I was lucky enough to stay) - about 4-5 people.
I got a bit worried and found myself a new place, which I start at in a few weeks..
Yesterday they made about 6 more people redundant...
Because of that, 2 people have handed their notice in today, and probably another very soon..

Crazy stuff. Company has shrunk from about 30 people to almost half the size in just a few months.

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From:	JonCooper	3 Jul 2012 17:16
To:	Mikee	60 of 128

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do they know you plan to leave yet? (can you get made redundant too?) Jon

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From:	Mikee	3 Jul 2012 17:16
To:	JonCooper	61 of 128

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Yeah I handed my notice in over a month ago now.

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	3 Jul 2012 17:47
To:	ALL	62 of 128

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Not exactly a question. But my contract ends on the 31st September. I better start looking for a new job. Not looking forward to taking a pay cut. ┌─────┐ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ │ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ └─┘

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	3 Jul 2012 18:37
To:	ANT_THOMAS	63 of 128

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*30th (fail) ┌─────┐ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ │ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ └─┘

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From:	99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)	4 Jul 2012 07:39
To:	ANT_THOMAS	64 of 128

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You've got one less day than you thought you had! :'D bastard by name, bastard by nature

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	4 Jul 2012 10:50
To:	99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)	65 of 128

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:(( ┌─────┐ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ │ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ └─┘

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From:	DSLPete (THE_TGG)	10 Jul 2012 11:46
To:	koswix	66 of 128

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Am I too late to ask a question? It's not a problem just something I would be interested to see if there are any laws about.

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From:	koswix	10 Jul 2012 12:33
To:	DSLPete (THE_TGG)	67 of 128

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I'm waiting to here if I have an interview for another, better job*, doing similar stuff, so shoot!

*better = less management stuff, fewer hours, twice the money

                                                
                                                
                                                
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From:	DSLPete (THE_TGG)	10 Jul 2012 12:45
To:	koswix	68 of 128

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So I work in the UK for our UK company, however we have a subsidiary in the US.

I seem to find myself working out in the US office for 4-8 weeks a year in 2 week blocks, usually flying out at weekends and generally eating into "non 9-5" time as transatlantic flying would do. Obviously work provide accommodation/car/flights/spending money etc.

I don't have a problem with it (I like it, in fact) however is there anything I should be aware of, or anything particular they should be providing me, e.g. if I fly on a Saturday > Saturday I am effectively using up 3 weekends of my own time for the purposes of travelling for work. Should this be reimbursed somehow?

The same applied I guess for when I go to London for the day. The train typically leaves early and arrives back at 8-9pm, which is clearly longer than a typical office day.

Saying that I have no official contract that I have ever signed which limits me to certain working hours, so maybe I have no rights?

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From:	koswix	10 Jul 2012 12:54
To:	DSLPete (THE_TGG)	69 of 128

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travel time should be counted/reimbursed in some form, the details would normally be in your contract. Do you have an employee handbook or anything? That would form part of your terms and conditions (regardless whether you have signed anything).

You shouldn't be working more than 48 hours in a week without having signed a Work Time Directive waver, but I'm not sure off the top of my head how travel time fits into that.

Essentially you are giving up time for which you are not being paid (directly). If you're happy with the amount of time you give vs salary received, then there's no problem really. But you are still giving up your weekends, unpaid, so you do have valid grounds to ask for some kind of recompense for that (extra holiday days? cash? whatever).

                                                
                                                
                                                
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From:	DSLPete (THE_TGG)	10 Jul 2012 12:55
To:	koswix	70 of 128

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I see, as I thought then tbh.

They fly my family out too so can't (and don't) complain really.

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From:	koswix	10 Jul 2012 13:13
To:	DSLPete (THE_TGG)	71 of 128

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Well that does seem like a fair exchange to me, it depends on whether you're happy with the arrangement tbh!

                                                
                                                
                                                
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From:	Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)	12 Jul 2012 10:14
To:	koswix	72 of 128

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Oooh - I've got one for you:

A mate has been under a fair bit of stress at work recently, and has been grinding his teeth at night as a result. The grinding has resulted in him breaking a couple of his teeth, requiring a fairly massive amount of dental work (root canal plus being fitted for a gumshield to wear at night). It's cost him a few hundred pounds so far. The company he works for doesn't offer a heath plan, but is he entitled to claim the money for the treatment back in any way?

Kenny

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From:	Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)	12 Jul 2012 10:15
To:	Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)	73 of 128

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(Actual mate, BTW, not just me ~~in a dress~~ under stress) Kenny

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	12 Jul 2012 10:27
To:	Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)	74 of 128

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Is there direct proof that first of all the stress is causing the teeth issues? And then is there proof that the stress is caused by work? ┌─────┐ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ │ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ └─┘

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From:	Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)	12 Jul 2012 10:47
To:	ANT_THOMAS	75 of 128

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Good question - a quick search tells me stress is generally one of the main reasons for teethgrinding, and he's been getting messed around at work a lot recently (covering people (off with stress!), massive increases to his own workload, working unclaimed hours to get stuff done, that kind of thing). I don't know how you go about actually proving stress, though. Kenny

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	12 Jul 2012 10:49
To:	Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)	76 of 128

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The last bit is the easiest bit (I think). Go to the doctor, get a sick note for "stress". ┌─────┐ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ │ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ └─┘

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From:	koswix	12 Jul 2012 12:18
To:	Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)	77 of 128

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He could try (through raising a grievance) - but he'd have to be able to prove that the stress is to do with work, and that the teeth work was because of the stress. First thing to do is get to ~~your~~ his GP and get the stress symptoms documented. The teeth issue is resolved now (gumshield), but if there are any other symptoms (such as high blood pressure) that could be affecting his health he should get signed off until the situation is resolved. Second he needs to keep a diary of everything that's going on - any messing about, increased work load, covering for others, unpaid hours etc. Anything that is contributing to the stress. Thirdly, he needs to ask his boss for the money and to sort out all the extra work he's doing that's giving him stress. Assuming the boss does nothing (likely), he needs to put in a grievance requesting a) the money and b) that the working conditions are sorted out. He should also request that the Health & Safety Committee/H&S Officer (depending on what the employer has) is made aware of the situation. He needs to state in the grievance that he believes that the employer is failing in its duty of care to him by allowing this situation to continue ▪ ┌────┐ ┌────┐ │ │ │ │ ▪ │ └────┘ │ │ ──┐ ┌── │ ▪ ┌──────┤ ▪ ▪ │ ┌┘ │ │ ▪ ┌─┤ └──┐ │ │ ┌──┘ │ │ │ ││ ││ │ ┌─┐ │ │ └─┼┤ └┴─┴───┘ │ │ │ ─┘│ │ │ │ ┌──────┐ └┬──────────┘ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ └───┘ └───┘

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