ALAC now open source

From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	28 Oct 2011 10:39
To:	99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)	19 of 40

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If you can tell the difference between 256kbps and lossless then you are an audiophile. I definitely can't. Most of my meagre mp3 collection is in 128k or even probably 64k in places. I don't care about music quality, so long as I can hear it. Same with videos. And I think that's where most consumers are. But really I was talking about the market. The majority of music is either pirated (and thus in the vast majority of cases mp3) or downloaded via itunes and thus... whatever format they use (AAC?). FLAC doesn't even come into it at the consumer level. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	28 Oct 2011 10:51
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	20 of 40

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I suppose to an extent it does depend on your audio equipment. What do you usually listen to music through?

I can tell the difference between lower bitrate MP3s and V0 but not sure I'd be able to tell the difference between V0 and FLAC.

Video on the other hand I'm more picky. I hate poor quality video, or more so, video that should be better but isn't. I don't mind a mobile phone video being low quality, since that's the format/style.

I think my biggest gripe is with ITV Player online. Their catchup service is a shocking quality whereas I think the quality on BBC iPlayer is really quite good, and they even offer HD streams in places.

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	28 Oct 2011 10:52
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	21 of 40

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(This also why I have many TBs of storage and you only require about 32MB (giggle) ) ┌─────┐ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ │ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ └─┘

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From:	Manthorp	28 Oct 2011 10:58
To:	99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)	22 of 40

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You can love me in any you want, Mr. B. "We all have flaws, and mine is being wicked." James Thurber, The Thirteen Clocks 1951 www.manthorp.co.uk

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From:	99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)	28 Oct 2011 11:34
To:	Manthorp	23 of 40

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3-8 bastard by name, bastard by nature

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	28 Oct 2011 11:37
To:	99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)	24 of 40

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-5 , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Matt	28 Oct 2011 11:45
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Only if that list is sorted alphabetically ascending.

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From:	Matt	28 Oct 2011 11:48
To:	ANT_THOMAS	26 of 40

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quote: I think my biggest gripe is with ITV Player online. Their catchup service is a shocking quality whereas I think the quality on BBC iPlayer is really quite good, and they even offer HD streams in places. This. But is it me or is the BBC iPlayer volume level stupidly high compared to everything else? It's crazy loud to the extent that I have to turn the speakers down to about 25% their normal volume to make it not shake the house to it's foundations.

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	28 Oct 2011 11:50
To:	Matt	27 of 40

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Couldn't agree more. It's way too loud. No matter what I'm watching/listening to with XBMC (Live TV, Videos or Music) I always have to turn the volume down when using iPlayer. Far too loud. ┌─────┐ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ │ │ │ │ ┌─┐ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ └─┘ └─┘

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	28 Oct 2011 11:52
To:	Matt	28 of 40

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It's cos it goes to 11. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Dave!!	28 Oct 2011 11:53
To:	ANT_THOMAS	29 of 40

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I know what you mean. I can easily tell the difference between 128k MP3s and the original, but once you get beyond 192k, the differences are so minute that it's not worth the hassle. Personally, I just use V0 MP3 for everything as to me, it's the best compromise between quality and file size, and I really cannot tell the difference there at all - even through my hifi. And it means that I get to run all my music through MP3Gain to level the volume in a way that both Winamp, iTunes and my iPod all support.

As for FLAC and whatnot, I don't see the point of it really. Not when you see just how much they destroy modern music during mastering anyway. Does clipping really sound better when it's lossless for instance?

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From:	Matt	28 Oct 2011 11:58
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	30 of 40

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But why don't they just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder? But really, it's silly loud.

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	28 Oct 2011 12:17
To:	Matt	31 of 40

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Because then it wouldn't go to eleven. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Mouse	28 Oct 2011 12:22
To:	Matt	32 of 40

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Yeah, cos 11 is one louder init. Roses are bollocks, Violets are crud, I hate bloody flowers, And much prefer mud.

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	28 Oct 2011 12:24
To:	Mouse	33 of 40

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Exactly. 110% loud. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)	28 Oct 2011 12:25
To:	Matt	34 of 40

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cough bastard by name, bastard by nature

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	28 Oct 2011 12:27
To:	99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)	35 of 40

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(I think he knows, he quoted it) , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	koswix	28 Oct 2011 12:38
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	36 of 40

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I (giggle) everytime I turn it up to 11.

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	28 Oct 2011 12:46
To:	koswix	37 of 40

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:D , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Matt	28 Oct 2011 13:41
To:	99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)	38 of 40

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(fail)

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