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 From:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)   14 Oct 2011 14:00 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)       59 of 104 
39012.59 In reply to 39012.58 
Okay, I think the whole concept is a bit of a joke (So, people can only access my photo albums when I'm online, then?) but even so.

How much do you think even a little starter SAN is going to cost? Here's a nice cheap starter:

http://www.systemactive.co.uk/Buynow-id-17287-HP-LEFTHAND-P4300-G2-7-2TB-SAS-STARTER-SAN-SOLUTION-IN.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=products

That will just accommodate what you've just mentioned.

Dan Herman
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 From:  patch   14 Oct 2011 14:00 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)       60 of 104 
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Can you not upload photos to your fictional social network? (It was a social network, wasn't it? I'll admit I haven't been paying attention) Cos just one photo's going to blow your 5kb per user target out of the window.
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 From:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)   14 Oct 2011 14:05 
 To:  patch      61 of 104 
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I have a feeling it's going to involve some kind of peer - peer stuff where bits of data are stored on peoples machines or some such. Even ignoring the security issues there, I still think it would be horrendously unreliable and I don't know what happens with mobile stuff.

 

I just Pete has massively underestimated what it genuinely costs to run something on the scale of Facebook. I don't doubt one could write a better platform and so on, but I think they'll all get cold sharp shocks when they try and scale it into the millions of users.


Dan Herman
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 From:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)   14 Oct 2011 14:05 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)       62 of 104 
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Pete, seriously...?
[...Insert Brain Here...]
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    14 Oct 2011 14:47 
 To:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)      63 of 104 
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Ok, if you go to the first post of this thread, you can see some pictures.
You can see them even when my computer is turned off - magical!


Why on earth would I buy an overpriced black box and create a single point of failure!? That's crazy. If I needed to go down the path of a centralised database, I'd use something built from the ground up to be scalable and redundant.

That's even assuming such a route is necessary - I haven't sat down and worked out specifics of what would be required, but I do think it's something that could potentially be avoidable.

As I said, the earlier £5k/£10k came from some very very rough estimates of what might be involved, simply as a theoretical example of an amount I personally would be happy to "throw away" on costs, if it would allow a real alternative to Facebook (even one only used by the people I directly care about / am connected to).

I wasn't saying "I'm going to create a billion user service for almost nothing", but I also don't agree you need to fling gold bars at HP and IBM and friends in order to run a successful service.


Your general approach here seems to be not thinking fully and/or jumping to incorrect conclusions, based on a non-existent scenario, and I'm not entirely sure why, but I'm not in the mood to keep trying to explain stuff either. :/
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 From:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)   14 Oct 2011 14:57 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)       64 of 104 
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Right, here is the summary:

quote: You Said:
And then there's Facebook-done-right. Have you priced up the data centre space, hardware, bandwidth, power requirements for that? It might be in the region of £5k a year, but it might also be significantly less.


I'm saying it's not possible and that I can spend your budget 20 fold on a small, mediocre system.

As for pictures, they have to go somewhere. It's not really a Facebook alternative if you leave out that whole bit.

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Why on earth would I buy an overpriced black box and create a single point of failure!? That's crazy. If I needed to go down the path of a centralised database, I'd use something built from the ground up to be scalable and redundant.


Yeah, I'm not going to get into SAN's. I showed you a cheap one (Which can do multi-location by the way). You need expensive ones :)

Dan Herman
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 From:  Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)   14 Oct 2011 15:18 
 To:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)      65 of 104 
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Don't forget Farmville, Mafia Wars, all those quiz apps and word games and zombies and pirates and flowers and whatever else it is that massed humanity occupy themselves with on Facebook...
Kenny
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 From:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)   14 Oct 2011 15:22 
 To:  Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)      66 of 104 
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Mind you, I would fully support those being left out.

Dan Herman
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    14 Oct 2011 15:40 
 To:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)      67 of 104 
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I'm hungry. Can you make me a sandwich?
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 From:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)   14 Oct 2011 15:40 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)       68 of 104 
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Nope. :'-(

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 From:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)   14 Oct 2011 15:52 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)       69 of 104 
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Would you like me to maybe arrange for a pizza to be delivered instead? What pizza would you like?
[...Insert Brain Here...]
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    14 Oct 2011 15:58 
 To:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)      70 of 104 
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I have a milkshake.
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 From:  graphitone   14 Oct 2011 16:36 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)       71 of 104 
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You can eat pizza with your milkshake. Best o' both worlds. :)

 

Now, what sort of milkshake are you having?




Drawings n' that
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    14 Oct 2011 16:39 
 To:  graphitone      72 of 104 
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I'm not now.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   14 Oct 2011 16:39 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)       73 of 104 
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Does it bring all the boys to the yard?


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 From:  graphitone   14 Oct 2011 16:41 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)       74 of 104 
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Oh.

 

:-S

 

Why not?




Drawings n' that
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    14 Oct 2011 16:45 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      75 of 104 
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I don't know where the yard is, so I'm unable to determine if all the boys were brought there.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    14 Oct 2011 16:46 
 To:  graphitone      76 of 104 
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I had a limited quantity and was not reluctant to consume it.
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 From:  milko   14 Oct 2011 17:34 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      77 of 104 
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I fear Peter's milkshake would send the boys away from the yard. It could be quite useful under certain circumstances.

milko
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   14 Oct 2011 17:47 
 To:  milko      78 of 104 
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:'D
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