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 From:  koswix   13 Oct 2011 22:24 
 To:  Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)      42 of 104 
39012.42 In reply to 39012.41 
But what they don't know, and what causes Facebook to crash whenever they try to work it out, is what he likes on his pizza who has the fastest van.



                                                
                                                
                                                
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    13 Oct 2011 23:11 
 To:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)      43 of 104 
39012.43 In reply to 39012.28 
(disclaimer:I'm feeling a bit unwell and have a slight headache, so I can't be held responsible for the contents of my posts.)

Ultimately [what Xen said, but probably with a slightly different slant on it].


More specifically...

My post was responding to Mouse's general post, and wasn't directly regarding Facebook.

quote: Mouse
Hey, here's a quote by some person who thinks they're really clever and wise and savvy, but is actually talking utter shite, and only sounds good to people for whom "the Internet" basically means Facebook+Google+notmuchelse.

quote: Me
That quote is by a fuckwit. Not everything that has no registration or subscription cost treats its users as a source of profit.


As owlface already mentioned - there's split free/paid services, tradesmen / not-for-profits, and even software & services that actually make a loss, but it's owners/runners don't care because there's more important things in the world than money, and so on.

And then there's Facebook-done-right. Have you priced up the data centre space, hardware, bandwidth, power requirements for that? It might be in the region of £5k a year, but it might also be significantly less, because when you decentralise the service you spread those things out onto everyone's existing ISP and home machines, and only need perhaps a handful of central servers to connect things together.

I'd happily throw away £10k a year on hosting costs, if it was enabling a decentralized independent Facebook-done-right service.

Money is basically just a lubricant - it helps things move/happen, but it doesn't do anything in and of itself. Hoarding it without purpose is pointless.
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)   13 Oct 2011 23:37 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)       44 of 104 
39012.44 In reply to 39012.43 
I really think decentralisation is the future of this stuff, but it's a way off yet.

Generally though: w3rd bro (hug)
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 From:  koswix   13 Oct 2011 23:52 
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)      45 of 104 
39012.45 In reply to 39012.44 
What was that decentralised messenger app from yonks ago? 



                                                
                                                
                                                
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)   14 Oct 2011 00:30 
 To:  koswix      46 of 104 
39012.46 In reply to 39012.45 
Hmm, there's Jabber which is a protocol (now used by Google Talk and hangouts and all that). You mean that?
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    14 Oct 2011 00:37 
 To:  koswix      47 of 104 
39012.47 In reply to 39012.45 
IRC ?


Not fully decentralised, but segmented and stuff.
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 From:  koswix   14 Oct 2011 06:54 
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)      48 of 104 
39012.48 In reply to 39012.46 
Nah, I'm sure there was a thing where.... Maybe I imagined it :$ 



                                                
                                                
                                                
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 From:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)   14 Oct 2011 07:00 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)       49 of 104 
39012.49 In reply to 39012.43 

10k, really?

 

Not that I fully understand how your theory works, but 10k isn't going to get you an inch off the ground if you want enterprise class gear.

 

Unless you don't believe in speed, reliability and redundancy.

 

 


Dan Herman
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 From:  JonCooper   14 Oct 2011 10:01 
 To:  ALL 50 of 104 
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the best forum software on the planet is free

and I am glad it is, hopefully that might encourage more people to use it
then I wouldn't end up on shitty hard-to-use forums
where I just give up more often than not
Jon
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    14 Oct 2011 11:33 
 To:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)      51 of 104 
39012.51 In reply to 39012.49 
You're not thinking clearly.
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 From:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)   14 Oct 2011 11:41 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)       52 of 104 
39012.52 In reply to 39012.51 
How's that then? I just don't 'get' how you think you're going to host anything mildly successful for 5 or 10k. I've installed network cards that cost that much.

Dan Herman
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    14 Oct 2011 11:57 
 To:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)      53 of 104 
39012.53 In reply to 39012.52 
Well you're either exagerrating or were ripped off for that, but that's entirely beside the point.

For £10k a year I could have between 100 and 750 servers, running on industry standard equipment in world class datacenters.

And it's unlikely to actually need anywhere close to those numbers. Even considering redundant clusters and geolocation and so on.
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 From:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)   14 Oct 2011 12:05 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)       54 of 104 
39012.54 In reply to 39012.53 

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF06b/3709945-3709945-4202225-3722810-3722810-3794423-3794432.html

 

I don't make things up :) And we always put 2 in for redundancy!

 

Here's some CoLo prices, too:

 

http://www.redstation.com/colocation.html

 

So, figure at least £1400pcm for a single rack in a single data centre. There's probably loads of extras you'll need too.

 

But whatever, Pete - we clearly disagree on a number of things such as "industry standard" and "world class".


Dan Herman
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Message 39012.55 deleted 14 Oct 2011 12:29 by PILOTDAN

 From:  ANT_THOMAS   14 Oct 2011 12:46 
 To:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)      56 of 104 
39012.56 In reply to 39012.54 
He won't actually be buying the servers, just renting.
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 From:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)   14 Oct 2011 12:54 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      57 of 104 
39012.57 In reply to 39012.56 

Well, firstly, I don't believe you can run something that big on rented hardware. Facebook has over 800 million users.

 

Let's say you store just 500 kilobytes of data per user. That's

 

800,000,000 * 500 = 400,000,000,000 kilobytes.

 

400,000,000,000 kb = ~372 Terabytes of storage alone.

 

Secondly, even if it as all rented and managed by someone else - you're still going to pay for it!

 

I just think Pete's got his head in the clouds on this one.


Dan Herman
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    14 Oct 2011 13:44 
 To:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)      58 of 104 
39012.58 In reply to 39012.57 
Are you forgetting the bit where there's the word decentralised?

The point being to keep any centralized aspect to an absolute minimum, and not be storing anywhere close to 500kb per user, probably not even close to 1kb, but for arguments sake, lets say 5kb.

1 billion users x 5 kb ~= 5 terabytes, or 16x320gb drives - not really that much by today's standards.

Certainly within the ~£1k a month budget I plucked out of the air earlier.
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 From:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)   14 Oct 2011 14:00 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)       59 of 104 
39012.59 In reply to 39012.58 
Okay, I think the whole concept is a bit of a joke (So, people can only access my photo albums when I'm online, then?) but even so.

How much do you think even a little starter SAN is going to cost? Here's a nice cheap starter:

http://www.systemactive.co.uk/Buynow-id-17287-HP-LEFTHAND-P4300-G2-7-2TB-SAS-STARTER-SAN-SOLUTION-IN.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=products

That will just accommodate what you've just mentioned.

Dan Herman
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 From:  patch   14 Oct 2011 14:00 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)       60 of 104 
39012.60 In reply to 39012.58 
Can you not upload photos to your fictional social network? (It was a social network, wasn't it? I'll admit I haven't been paying attention) Cos just one photo's going to blow your 5kb per user target out of the window.
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 From:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)   14 Oct 2011 14:05 
 To:  patch      61 of 104 
39012.61 In reply to 39012.60 

I have a feeling it's going to involve some kind of peer - peer stuff where bits of data are stored on peoples machines or some such. Even ignoring the security issues there, I still think it would be horrendously unreliable and I don't know what happens with mobile stuff.

 

I just Pete has massively underestimated what it genuinely costs to run something on the scale of Facebook. I don't doubt one could write a better platform and so on, but I think they'll all get cold sharp shocks when they try and scale it into the millions of users.


Dan Herman
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