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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
38778.195 In reply to 38778.194 
Peter they'd just laugh at you and tell you to get a hair cut.
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)     
38778.196 In reply to 38778.194 
I don't mean self-centred in the every day way. I mean culturally. Your whole culture is about individual rights, individual freedoms, individual protections and private property. Your constitution defines a man as a legal entity with individual rights rather than a social entity with social rights and responsibilities. European culture is more on the social side, rights are defined more (up until very recently) from a social rather than individual perspective.

In America the hope is that if everyone takes care of themselves (and families) then everyone will be taken care of. Whereas in Europe it's more if everyone takes care of society then everyone will be taken care of. I'm not saying this is universally so but that was the general tone of continental vs. american liberal thinking in the 1700s when we were all becoming modern nations and I think it has informed our cultures and trickled down to colour how we think about these things.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
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Gotcha and agree 100%. If there weren't differences between us because of this it would be scary.
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 From:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)  
 To:  milko     
38778.198 In reply to 38778.131 
I think I am - I am (and have been) a lot more concerned about the things that might've led to this situation rather than the situation itself, but since it's now got to this point then shouldn't the response be firmer and stop it in its tracks, and then (ideally) really try to deal with the causes? As you said, what caused this is a slightly separate matter but the participants' actions are not excusable.
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 From:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
38778.199 In reply to 38778.189 

Sod you Drew, until you have youth looting and people setting fire to stuff near where you live I won't consider your opinion entirely valid.

 

(also, I like playing devil's advocate a bit and getting on the opposite side of an argument to some people (hugright) )

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 From:  patch  
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He's from the hood, man. He's gangsta.
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 From:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)  
 To:  patch     
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What? :(
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 From:  patch  
 To:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)     
38778.202 In reply to 38778.201 

That was meant to be a reply to you about Drew, but it's too early for me to hit the right link.

 

I was trying to say that he knows about the disaffected youth, despite coming from a small rural village. Not even very funny. I'll stop now.

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 From:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)  
 To:  patch     
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Ah right, in light of Drew's occasional tendencies to display "gangsta"-inspired behaviour. No, I get it, just wasn't awake enough to get it without help. Bruv.
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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)  
 To:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)     
38778.204 In reply to 38778.199 

You're not the only one who considers Drew's opinions to be of limited merit given that it's not his house/livelihood being destroyed or family terrified by thugs.

 

Having said that, I'm sitting here in Switzerland, so 'yay' me.

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 From:  koswix  
 To:  JonCooper     
38778.205 In reply to 38778.168 
We were talking about that last night, and remembered the "civil unrest" exception clause in most policies :-/


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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)  
 To:  koswix     
38778.206 In reply to 38778.205 

That's alright, any enterprise other than the little mom'n'pop shops that go under will pass on any uninsured costs in higher prices. So no one wins, no one loses. Some people may lose their jobs.

 

And these loons 'making a point against big enterprise' are making what point in the end?

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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)     
38778.207 In reply to 38778.199 
Don't be a fuckwit. I can't have a valid opinion until it's happened to me?

You can't have an opinion on what the rioters are doing until you've lived their lives, then.
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 From:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
38778.208 In reply to 38778.207 

Ooh, escalation!

 

I would say that I live closer to the participants and have more exposure to their environment than you do.

 

(yay! fight!)

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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)     
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Then you would indeed be a fuckwit.
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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
38778.210 In reply to 38778.207 

Neither can you though. While some of the rioters may have just cause for dissatisfaction (but not anarchy), I suspect that some (unknown percentage) of them are just in it for the 'laughs'.

 

But in good news I heard (not confirmed) that Jamie Oliver's restaurant got done over, so there's a silver lining after all.

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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)     
38778.211 In reply to 38778.210 

You seem to have missed the point somewhere in my clever web of sarcasm.

 

I believe that we humans, being imaginative and communicative creatures, are perfectly capable of understanding, as far as one can do so, the experiences of others with just a little effort, empathy and compassion.

 

I've also said several times that I'm sure the majority of rioters are in it 'for the laughs' as you put it, but this is beside the point. If people feel so disconnected from and disaffected with their society/community that they can behave like this then there's a problem... is all I'm saying.

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 From:  JonCooper  
 To:  koswix     
38778.212 In reply to 38778.205 
see, I see that as part of the overall problem

we should all have insurance, but quite often when you need it you find it's not valid for whatever has happened

so I sit thinking "the man" screwed me again

I am a quiet, overweight, middle-aged man living in a very rural out-of-the-way place and I feel that most of those deemed to be in authority in some way have and continue to screw me over on a regular basis

banks - PITA
government - PITA
council - PITA
police - PITA

etc ~ so I can only begin to imagine how people in the cities who are affected by all that much more often and on a larger scale than me must feel

Jon
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  JonCooper     
38778.213 In reply to 38778.212 
quote:
so I can only begin to imagine how people in the cities who are affected by all that much more often and on a larger scale than me must feel


Not according to Serg you can't.
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 From:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
38778.214 In reply to 38778.213 
I was being a hypothetical cunt, don't actually label me as one.
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