War & PoliticsTottenham - what gives?

 

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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)     
38778.143 In reply to 38778.142 
To be honest I have no idea how to react to all this apart from being embarrassed really.
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 From:  Kriv  
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Oooh apparently kicking off up the road. I can smell burning.

 

:(

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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)     
38778.145 In reply to 38778.139 
You don't need guns, you just need a bunch of angry Turks.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
38778.146 In reply to 38778.145 
Can't watch that at work. What do they do, beat them with legs?

And what difference does using a pipe, club, knife as opposed to a gun? The intent to hurt or kill someone doesn't go away just because you don't have a gun!
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)     
38778.147 In reply to 38778.146 
Very true, but thankfully the available "weapons" aren't as lethal.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
 To:  ANT_THOMAS     
38778.148 In reply to 38778.147 
Fire and cars kill people! I know because I saw it in a video game once!
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 From:  patch  
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)     
38778.149 In reply to 38778.146 
Because pipes and clubs and knives aren't as easy to use as a gun. You have to get up close to use them. You have to really mean it.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
 To:  patch     
38778.150 In reply to 38778.149 
haha that made me laugh.

I was once hit in the face with a pipe. I'm sure he meant it as well.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)     
38778.151 In reply to 38778.146 
Nope, just chase after them shouting.

One guy had a pipe/stick/whatever, but wasn't seen to use it.

I think this describes it:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8691761/London-riots-residents-fight-back.html
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
38778.152 In reply to 38778.151 
Now just picture that scene but instead of a group of people make it a fine red dot following each of the rioters down the street.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)     
38778.153 In reply to 38778.150 
You're still alive though.

A gun shot to the face could easily have been a different story. :/



There's been one confirmed fatality in all this - a guy who got shot.

Are you saying if he had a gun he wouldn't have been shot? And that if everyone had guns there would be less injured people?
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
38778.154 In reply to 38778.153 
No, but I am saying that the store owners could put an end to it much faster. Possibly with more fatalities, possibly with rioters getting smart very fast.
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 From:  patch  
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)     
38778.155 In reply to 38778.154 
Yay! Dead people! The perfect way to end anything.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
 To:  patch     
38778.156 In reply to 38778.155 
They don't have to die. How can you die when you are home minding your business?
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
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38778.157 In reply to 38778.156 
Amazon UK's top sellers.
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 From:  patch  
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)     
38778.158 In reply to 38778.156 
True, the availability of guns certainly calmed down those tensions in LA in 1992.
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
 To:  patch     
38778.159 In reply to 38778.158 
This doesn't look too out of balance to me. More like natural selection.
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 From:  patch  
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)     
38778.160 In reply to 38778.159 
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with that.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)     
38778.161 In reply to 38778.154 

We don't need guns - we just need more people like those store owners - i.e. actual communities that stand up for each other.

 

If people were like that everywhere - and if the Met weren't apparently so slow and useless - this probably wouldn't have gone as far and for so long as it has done.

 


If looters are constantly turned away from being able to loot, they'll eventually get bored, but every time they're successful it empowers them to keep going, and potentially get do more severe things.

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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)  
 To:  patch     
38778.162 In reply to 38778.160 
That it wasn't a war zone. For the amount of guns in that area the entire west coast could have been wiped out.

Most people who have grown up with guns only use them as a last resort and I think those number reflect that.

When this is all said and done we will compare deaths to deaths and property damage to property damage.
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