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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	25 Jan 2011 19:01
To:	Matt	75 of 3934

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Fair enough.

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From:	koswix	25 Jan 2011 20:36
To:	PNCOOL	76 of 3934

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Done :-) GIVE ME EYERON OR! :@ msg:38140.1

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From:	koswix	25 Jan 2011 23:44
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Thanks the the lovely PB we now have Maps uploaded for your viewing pleasure!

http://minemap.tehforum.co.uk/

Pete: I ran the output file (11.7MB) through PNGCrush and it came down to an amazing 11.0MB - not really sure what options I should be playing with in PNGCrush to get the best results. If anyone has experience with it and feels like giving me a bunch of command line switches to use I'll try them on future Maps.

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	25 Jan 2011 23:47
To:	koswix	78 of 3934

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I /NEEEEEEEED/ this game. The map reminds me of Transport Tycoon Deluxe.

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From:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	26 Jan 2011 00:30
To:	koswix	79 of 3934

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I've got optipng here, which has lots of fancy settings hidden behind a single compression level parameter, so I've shoved that up to maximum and will see what it comes out with. (It's taking a while!) It would be good to get something that can also do palette shrinking. I did a quick export from PSPX, and an 8-bit image 256 colours is ~6.7MB and looks ok, (whilst 64 colours gives ~3.6MB but looks a bit crappy). Can't remember anything specific that combines the two, but I'm sure someone will have done it, so will have to have a look tomorrow. `3.1415P265E589T932E846R64338`

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	26 Jan 2011 00:39
To:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	80 of 3934

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Converted the PNG to a JPG with IrfanView. Quality setting was 70 and it's gone from 11MB to 3.49MB. Quality is still perfectly fine.

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From:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	26 Jan 2011 00:42
To:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	81 of 3934

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After all that, optipng only manages a 103KB decrease. How rubbish! :( `3.1415P265E589T932E846R64338`

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From:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	26 Jan 2011 00:51
To:	ANT_THOMAS	82 of 3934

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I'd have to disagree with "perfectly fine" - the compression obliterates lamps (unless you're doing it with different settings to me). `3.1415P265E589T932E846R64338`
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From:	ANT_THOMAS	26 Jan 2011 00:58
To:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	83 of 3934

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That's true, I guess with not playing it I don't know what to look for. Even at 90 they're pretty poor.

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From:	steve	26 Jan 2011 01:12
To:	ALL	84 of 3934

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I have just seen this. Maybe I too need a trim :C (grandma)

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From:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	26 Jan 2011 01:14
To:	ANT_THOMAS	85 of 3934

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Yeah, the way JPEG works relies on more continuous tones (like in photos), so it's not going to work for something so pixely as the lamps. If I was going to produce a Minecraft mapper, I think I'd create multiple images - a JPEG background that did basic scenery and could be compressed a fair bit, and then a transparent PNG overlay for all the stuff like lamps that would otherwise be destroyed (and since it'd be yellow+orange+transparent, it'd compress well too. Kos - what did you use to do this; is source code available? `3.1415P265E589T932E846R64338`

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From:	koswix	26 Jan 2011 01:43
To:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	86 of 3934

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I think PNG Crush does all that, but tbh I got a bit lost reading the readme :$ GIVE ME EYERON OR! :@ msg:38140.1

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From:	koswix	26 Jan 2011 01:44
To:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	87 of 3934

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It's called MC Map, and I think source is available from this page:

http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=40327

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From:	koswix	26 Jan 2011 01:45
To:	steve	88 of 3934

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YOUR HAIR IS SO BIG IT IS LEAKING INTO THE WRONG THREAD :@ GIVE ME EYERON OR! :@ msg:38140.1

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From:	ANT_THOMAS	26 Jan 2011 01:46
To:	koswix	89 of 3934

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(giggle)

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From:	koswix	26 Jan 2011 01:54
To:	ALL	90 of 3934

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Can someone remind me to phone Virgin in the morning?

I'm definitely upgrading, just noticed that they're charging me 37 a month for 20MB, when on their site it's 20 a month. 50MB is 35 a month. :?

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From:	steve	26 Jan 2011 04:21
To:	koswix	91 of 3934

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Phone Virgin! :C

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From:	af (CAER)	26 Jan 2011 13:34
To:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	92 of 3934

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If there's a JPEG option to disable colour subsampling, use that - it should help with retaining colour detail. FORJ Forum

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From:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	26 Jan 2011 13:56
To:	af (CAER)	93 of 3934

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I have it disabled on the one above. Well, "Chroma subsampling" is set to "YCbCr 1x1 1x1 1x1 (None)" - assuming that's the same thing. Am I right in having a vague memory that it's possible to embed a JPG within a PNG file, so I can proceed with my plan of background+overlay, but still end up with a single file? `3.1415P265E589T932E846R64338`

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	26 Jan 2011 14:27
To:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	94 of 3934

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How about we just use a jpeg cos fuck whether you can see individual torches or not and YOU GET ON THE SERVER AND FUCKING BUILD SOMETHING.

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