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Argh, all this is sounding quite tempting. How much is it going to cost me?
My life is hard, I suffer lots
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
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msg:37760.381 & msg:37760.384
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 From:  Matt  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
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It has a better interface (if you put it in Explorer view style) than Filezilla.

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 From:  PNCOOL  
 To:  koswix      
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I'm pncool. Could I be added to the whitelist please?

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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
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Fair enough.

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 From:  koswix   
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Done :-)


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 From:  koswix   
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Thanks the the lovely PB we now have Maps uploaded for your viewing pleasure!

 

http://minemap.tehforum.co.uk/

 

Pete: I ran the output file (11.7MB) through PNGCrush and it came down to an amazing 11.0MB - not really sure what options I should be playing with in PNGCrush to get the best results. If anyone has experience with it and feels like giving me a bunch of command line switches to use I'll try them on future Maps.



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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
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I /NEEEEEEEED/ this game. The map reminds me of Transport Tycoon Deluxe.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
 To:  koswix      
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I've got optipng here, which has lots of fancy settings hidden behind a single compression level parameter, so I've shoved that up to maximum and will see what it comes out with. (It's taking a while!)

It would be good to get something that can also do palette shrinking.
I did a quick export from PSPX, and an 8-bit image 256 colours is ~6.7MB and looks ok, (whilst 64 colours gives ~3.6MB but looks a bit crappy).
Can't remember anything specific that combines the two, but I'm sure someone will have done it, so will have to have a look tomorrow.
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
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Converted the PNG to a JPG with IrfanView. Quality setting was 70 and it's gone from 11MB to 3.49MB. Quality is still perfectly fine.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
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After all that, optipng only manages a 103KB decrease.

How rubbish! :(
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
 To:  ANT_THOMAS     
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I'd have to disagree with "perfectly fine" - the compression obliterates lamps (unless you're doing it with different settings to me).

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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
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That's true, I guess with not playing it I don't know what to look for. Even at 90 they're pretty poor.
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 From:  steve  
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I have just seen this. Maybe I too need a trim :C (grandma)

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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
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Yeah, the way JPEG works relies on more continuous tones (like in photos), so it's not going to work for something so pixely as the lamps.

If I was going to produce a Minecraft mapper, I think I'd create multiple images - a JPEG background that did basic scenery and could be compressed a fair bit, and then a transparent PNG overlay for all the stuff like lamps that would otherwise be destroyed (and since it'd be yellow+orange+transparent, it'd compress well too.

Kos - what did you use to do this; is source code available?
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 From:  koswix   
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
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I think PNG Crush does all that, but tbh I got a bit lost reading the readme :$


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 From:  koswix   
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
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It's called MC Map, and I think source is available from this page:

 

http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=40327



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 From:  koswix   
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YOUR HAIR IS SO BIG IT IS LEAKING INTO THE WRONG THREAD :@


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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
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(giggle)
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 From:  koswix   
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Can someone remind me to phone Virgin in the morning?

 

I'm definitely upgrading, just noticed that they're charging me 37 a month for 20MB, when on their site it's 20 a month. 50MB is 35 a month. :?



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