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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   1 Mar 2012 17:38 
 To:  JonCooper      3447 of 3934 
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If you could have a look to see if others online have the issue I'll look into it when I get home.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   1 Mar 2012 23:03 
 To:  Oscarvarium (OZGUR)      3448 of 3934 
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I'm definitely wanting to do a proper Survival Multiplayer still.

Is it worth doing a poll to find out what the consensus is - how many people still playing (or want to start again) who want Teh Mine to stay on peaceful vs how many want a switch to easy/normal/hard setting.

If there's an even split, and we can't do that multiple-worlds-on-one-server thing (can't remember if that was looked into?), I'm very tempted to try setting it up SMP on hard on my server.
(In theory, the new world format means it requires less memory+cpu, although I've not yet researched to see if that's the case).
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   5 Mar 2012 16:58 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      3449 of 3934 
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Ok, so I made a poll:

msg:39382.1

Just to gauge interest - obviously it's up to Ant what Teh Mine actually does.

You can answer both questions, or either question individually, depending how you feel.
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   5 Mar 2012 17:09 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      3450 of 3934 
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I don't mind changing it to be whatever the consensus is and sending Jon (and anyone else) the current world if he or they want it.

 

I have recently (or not so recently) lost interest in playing, maybe a change will give me a bit more interest.
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 From:  Oscarvarium (OZGUR)   5 Mar 2012 18:47 
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As mentioned before, I would quite like to play some nice challenging SMP and starting from scratch. However, I also want to keep the world we've already created, and would want to continue creating things in it without having to worry about mobs. Dual-mapping would suit perfectly, if that's possible, or some kind of Survival area far away from the current spawn point.
Also, I can't think of a signature, any ideas?
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 From:  JonCooper   5 Mar 2012 19:30 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      3452 of 3934 
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I would certainly want it - thanks
Jon
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   6 Mar 2012 19:43 
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In case anyone is trying to access Teh Mine now I have tried to upgrade the server to 1.2.3 and it is having problems (or taking ages) converting the worlds.
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   6 Mar 2012 19:49 
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Well the conversion on the main world has started and after 2 minutes it's not even done 1% yet :|
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   6 Mar 2012 20:04 
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It seems we have quite a large map.
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 From:  patch   6 Mar 2012 20:07 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      3456 of 3934 
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See, I suggested trimming it again and again, but did anyone listen? Honestly. If I ran the planet, we'd be in so much better shape.
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   6 Mar 2012 20:09 
 To:  patch      3457 of 3934 
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Smaller, but better.
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 From:  patch   6 Mar 2012 20:18 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      3458 of 3934 
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Not really. We'd all be so screwed I'd be in the Guinness Book of Records.
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   6 Mar 2012 20:23 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      3459 of 3934 
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3% through!!
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   6 Mar 2012 22:58 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      3460 of 3934 
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Have you seen any server plugins relating to reminding you how long you've been playing for?

So like players can do a /dailylimit 120 and then after a total of two hours in any 24 hour period it starts telling you to get off and do other stuff?
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   6 Mar 2012 23:01 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      3461 of 3934 
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Ha, no, but that is a good one. "Do some fucking work"
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   6 Mar 2012 23:03 
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(24% converted)
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   7 Mar 2012 03:40 
 To:  ANT_THOMAS      3463 of 3934 
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Wow, that's a speedy process isn't it! All for what? A few new monsters and a higher sky? Whoop whoop!
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   7 Mar 2012 04:04 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      3464 of 3934 
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It's not affecting the monsters, and it's more than just adding height.

It's a complete change of how the data is stored, which makes it more efficient and more flexible for mod authors.

It shouldn't take as long as it is, but I guess that's a combination of:
1a) Minecraft storing each region (512x512 block areas) in individual files;
1b) Us lot having explored and built things across relatively vast area;
1c) the server being Windows, which isn't great at handling large numbers of files;
2) Mojang not bothering to performance test the process on non-small worlds, and thus putting little/no effort into optimising the code once it was completed.


(Mostly I suspect it's down to reason 2 there.)
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 From:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)   7 Mar 2012 04:07 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      3465 of 3934 
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I was being a bit facetious there Pete. But yeah I agree it's probably #2 mostly. It's a fun game but I don't think I understand why it's written in Java.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   7 Mar 2012 04:43 
 To:  Ken (SHIELDSIT)      3466 of 3934 
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Simple: because Notch knew Java.

And that's not really the problem - Java is perfectly capable of being fast enough.

Assuming the in-game converter uses the same code as the standalone tool, which I just had a quick look at, then the slowness probably comes from a bunch of debugging functions left turned on, (and using an exponentially slow method of concatenating strings for some of them).

*shrug* Oh well.
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