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From:	Peter (BOUGHTONP)	27 Jul 2011 12:12
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	2477 of 3934

38140.2477 In reply to 38140.2474
Doesn't need to be fences - a sign or two at the boundary saying "this is my garden" would be enough. I otherwise agree with everything there, but it seems new people are worried about being seen/included and don't realise distance isn't significant to that. (Nor a factor in travelling.) `3.1415P265E589T932E846R64338`

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	27 Jul 2011 12:14
To:	Matt	2478 of 3934

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It's not relatively close at all. It's about as far as you can get within the current area of built-up stuff from spawn. The whole area to the north and east of spawn - right next to spawn, going in that direction, is completely empty. And being close to spawn brings no benefit anyway, so is beside the point. quote: but it's a huge sap to motivation to have to wander off for 10~20 minutes to make sure you don't cause conflict with someone else Seriously? Why? quote: and like I said it comes across very elitist. It's kinda like you can't build here because I said so, so there! How is it by any stretch of the imagination elitist? Seriously - I'm actually asking. It's not about 'you can't build here because I said so', it's about 'oh there's something already here, so rather than build next to someone else in the 5% of occupied land yet discovered, how about I either ask if they mind or build in the 95% of empty fucking land'. quote: I agree that as a new builder I should be considerate of other people's future plans, but that's not easy It's pretty fucking easy really. I'll do a helpful and beautiful diagram. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	27 Jul 2011 12:15
To:	Matt	2479 of 3934

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I'd like you to note from my beautiful diagram that no one else at all seemed to have a problem with this concept. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	27 Jul 2011 12:18
To:	Matt	2480 of 3934

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quote: no way to quick travel somewhere We have a quick travel network, thanks to Kev. Sure, you don't know that the second you join but that's why you ask rather than presuming. As I said, no one else struggled with any of this. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Mikee	27 Jul 2011 12:18
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	2481 of 3934

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Like I've said...

I made my first redstone creation near where I was told was the place people use to test redstone stuff. You knocked it down, I wasn't that bothered. Didn't realise you wanted that space clear. It was only an experiment anyway.

I built a tree near-ish your church. Didn't think it'd matter because it was quite a subtle thing. You said you might need that land, I said it was fine, just knock it down.

So I moved out to a place where I knew was far away enough for nobody to need that land and built my thing there.

I built at the edge of what I considered to be the hub of activity. That's how the game is played on all other private servers I've been on.

Either way, I've taken it down and now that I know you have laid claim to this area, I'll make sure it's far away.

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	27 Jul 2011 12:23
To:	Mikee	2482 of 3934

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Excellent, thanks. I'm glad it only took me asking politely 10 times and an argument on the forum to get you to see what everyone else seemed to take for granted. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Mikee	27 Jul 2011 12:30
To:	ALL	2483 of 3934

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quote: Excellent, thanks. I'm glad it only took me asking politely 10 times and an argument on the forum to get you to see what everyone else seemed to take for granted. ..... at what point did you become such a dick? quote: It's pretty fucking easy really. I'll do a helpful and beautiful diagram. And that's really easy to see for a new person coming onto the server, isn't it? No, it's really not. I see lots of buildings in random places and have no idea who built them and what plans they have for the future. But thanks for the diagram.

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	27 Jul 2011 12:34
To:	Mikee	2484 of 3934

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quote: ..... at what point did you become such a dick? I think I've pretty much always been a dick. quote: And that's really easy to see for a new person coming onto the server, isn't it? As I say, no one else seemed to struggle. And I did tell you several times. quote: But thanks for the diagram. My pleasure :D (hug) , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	patch	27 Jul 2011 12:42
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	2485 of 3934

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You left Oscar off that diagram, you elitist /bastard/.

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	27 Jul 2011 12:46
To:	patch	2486 of 3934

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OSCAR I AM SORRY! :'S , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Matt	27 Jul 2011 12:52
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	2487 of 3934

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Maybe elitist is the wrong word. But what you've said is exactly what it feels like. What I mean is, if I'm new and I start building and you ask politely that I move (ask, not tell), it can still come across as being told to by someone who was here before me and thus comes across as being more important. That doesn't of course mean they are of course, just that's the way it comes across. And because there isn't an immediately obvious reason why I'm being "told" to move, just that you might build there, it's makes it confusing. Maybe being made to feel excluded is a better choice of words. And I didn't just say it's not easy, I gave a specific example as to why it appears to not be easy.

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From:	Serg (NUKKLEAR)	27 Jul 2011 12:54
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	2488 of 3934

38140.2488 In reply to 38140.2478

And me too, with my tiny entrance to f'loads of caves (and lava :C ) and a pointless stairway to the skies, just to the lower left of Lindy :'(

(I AM KIDDING. I don't actually give a sh*t)

[...Insert Brain Here...]

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	27 Jul 2011 13:08
To:	Matt	2489 of 3934

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I don't know what you're basing this on but none of that is really what happened. I say again: No one else had a problem with this. Everyone had the decency/social intelligence to either find an empty spot or say "hey, mind if I build x over here?". That's co-operation, and there's nothing remotely elitist about it. It is, quite simply, courtesy. It's not hard. I didn't just ask Mikee to move without explanation - that's not what happened. I said something very much like: "That's really close to my stuff - why not find an ampty area to build in like everyone else has? There's plenty of empty space out there". He's also not exactly all that new - he knows us all and he build a pretty lengthy railway out into empty space before he started what he's doing now. There's no rules to this, it's pretty organic and social and co-operative. If you want to know something, you ask and you err on the side of caution where other peoples' stuff is concerned. I wouldn't go and build the Eiffel Tower next to Ken's Space Needle or go and enclose Jon's maze-map in soil or whatever despite there being no rules against doing so. It just takes a bit of common sense, a bit of courtesy and ... listening when someone tells you something. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	27 Jul 2011 13:09
To:	Serg (NUKKLEAR)	2490 of 3934

38140.2490 In reply to 38140.2488
But you're a gypsy, constantly on the move. The whole map is your home, Serg (hug) , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	27 Jul 2011 13:10
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	2491 of 3934

38140.2491 In reply to 38140.2484

You forgot to cram someone in between my old build and you. Hence the new me.

Edit: You can actually mark my old place Tanner's.

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	27 Jul 2011 13:11
To:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	2492 of 3934

38140.2492 In reply to 38140.2491
I still don't know what/where that is. The only thing I can see between you and me is ... your VERY OWN SON'S sand house. Do you mean that? :D , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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From:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	27 Jul 2011 13:13
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	2493 of 3934

38140.2493 In reply to 38140.2492

He said it wasn't his. I held his hand and walked him to it and said /is this yours, did you do this/? And he said no. He built on top of my house not over there.

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From:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	27 Jul 2011 13:14
To:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	2494 of 3934

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Had it been his I'd have torn it down myself.

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From:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	27 Jul 2011 13:16
To:	graphitone	2495 of 3934

38140.2495 In reply to 38140.2463

Check Drew's pretty diagram. It's the one up there by itself (for now).

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From:	Drew (X3N0PH0N)	27 Jul 2011 13:19
To:	Ken (SHIELDSIT)	2496 of 3934

38140.2496 In reply to 38140.2493
Ahh ok. He said ages ago he was building a sand house near his dad's place so I assumed that was it. It's not been worked on for ages. Prolly would've been ok to remove it. But yeah, nice to relocate every so often anyway. , , , , , , , , , , `' (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) (o,o) \ \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) \|)__) ''`>-,--”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---”-”---- ,'.*''`

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