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 From:  Kriv  
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)     
36147.37 In reply to 36147.33 
Well, they removed all the music videos from YouTube for a start.

Already been discussed.

And they remove people they don't like from their search engine, which is as good as taking their sites offline completely.

Who and why. If a legitimate reason then fair enough, if on a whim I'm in agreement.

And they say they're completely behind open-source, so why is Chrome only available on Windows?

Because all the open source whiners to too busy moaning and not coding it?

And the Android source code contains routines for recording every phone call you make and using voice-recognition technology to index it.

First point I completely agree on. Google use it to build up profiles of people. Did you hear that Google has completed an algorythm that will predict how long people will work for a company? How long before they trend on phone usage.

And they do everything in Python and Java, which is both kinds of wrong.

Peter?

"I mean...wtf is with that generic man/baby's face on the background?" "It's my face dammit. My beautiful face." - J Allard
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   
 To:  Kriv     
36147.38 In reply to 36147.37 
Huh?
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 From:  Mouse  
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)     
36147.39 In reply to 36147.36 
Come on lad, you're supposed to be right wing.

Which of the following would you most prefer?
A: a puppy,
B: a pretty flower from your sweety, or
C: a large properly formatted data file?
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  Mouse     
36147.40 In reply to 36147.39 
My thoughts exactly. I thought Rendle's view on politics were a constant we could all set our political compasses by.

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 From:  Mouse  
 To:  ANT_THOMAS     
36147.41 In reply to 36147.40 
I always have and now I am lost in a shanty town of political confusion Anthony :(

Which of the following would you most prefer?
A: a puppy,
B: a pretty flower from your sweety, or
C: a large properly formatted data file?
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  Mouse     
36147.42 In reply to 36147.41 
No, that's just Keefly :C

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 From:  Mouse  
 To:  ANT_THOMAS     
36147.43 In reply to 36147.42 
*Keefffly. The three Fs stand for Fucking, Fighting and Feeving.

Which of the following would you most prefer?
A: a puppy,
B: a pretty flower from your sweety, or
C: a large properly formatted data file?
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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)  
 To:  Mouse     
36147.44 In reply to 36147.39 
I was grasping. Anyway, the way most people bang on about Google makes it sound like something between a charitable foundation and a religious order.

Happy now?

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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)  
 To:  Mouse     
36147.45 In reply to 36147.41 
If it helps, I do think we should nuke Jerusalem.

Happy now?

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 From:  Mouse  
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)     
36147.46 In reply to 36147.44 

That does help.

 

Dunno, I wouldn't say I'm a Google Fan Boi per se, well maybe a bit... but I do use Gmail, Google Docs, Chrome and Google Calendar. Oh, and their search engine... It seems their shit always works exactly the way I want it to and always makes things easier.

 

And I did get a bit excited when someone at work said, "Michael, there's someone from Google on the phone for you". Alas, they we're just trying to get me to do Adwords.


Which of the following would you most prefer?
A: a puppy,
B: a pretty flower from your sweety, or
C: a large properly formatted data file?
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 From:  empathy  
 To:  Mouse     
36147.47 In reply to 36147.46 
Adwords is good though, you should try it.
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 From:  Mouse  
 To:  empathy     
36147.48 In reply to 36147.47 

Hmm, aye maybe. I'm in one of those "We're waiting for the new website" situations.

 

And they wanted to have someone from Google work with me to get the most out of it while committing to spending a little bit more than I could a month at the time.

 

And the industry is very competitive with relatively low margins so need to tread fairly carefully with it like.

 

But yes, when the new website's up I shall have a go.


Which of the following would you most prefer?
A: a puppy,
B: a pretty flower from your sweety, or
C: a large properly formatted data file?
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 From:  Kriv  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      
36147.49 In reply to 36147.38 
I have the impression you have posts where you hate the way application X doesn't do what you want and moan even though it's a good standard / feel the need to write your own / moon on a stick.

"I mean...wtf is with that generic man/baby's face on the background?" "It's my face dammit. My beautiful face." - J Allard
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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)  
 To:  Kriv     
36147.50 In reply to 36147.49 
But who wouldn't want the moon on a stick?

bastard by name, bastard by nature

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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   
 To:  Kriv     
36147.51 In reply to 36147.49 
(hoping this doesn't come across ranty, because it's not)

I don't moan about good standards, I moan about shit standards, because they're shit.

Good standards, I happily praise. HTML5 is an obvious example of a standard which I am actively praising - both the stuff in this thread, plus the more code-oriented semantic tags, the stricter definitions of how things should be handled, and so on.
There are still things about HTML5 I would do differently, but on the whole it's good.

CFML is another thing - the language is currently undergoing standardisation, and as part of that they're fully defining the non-tag script-based syntax, which is an evil horrible syntax which I rarely use, and yet I'm not moaning about them putting it on equal footing with the tag-based syntax, because it makes sense.

Those are just two examples - there's plenty of others that I'll praise for being good.


Unfortunately there is a lot of bad standards and bad software, and - when these impede me - of course I'm going to complain about what is wrong with them. Generally, in the (mostly vain) hope that someone says "what about X, it doesn't do that annoying thing".

Example here: SVN - it's terrible software. Incredibly slow, due to the really dumb way it is structured (every directory contains a ".svn" directory, which contains several other directories which contain copies of the files plus assorted other things). SVN sucks, and had I not complained about it, I might not have been directed towards Git.
Git is has a sensible simple structure, is super fast, easy to expand, and thus is becoming very popular. It's not perfect, but I enjoy using Git.


I wish it was always the case that there was good software already written - I don't want to re-invent wheels all the time; I want to do new and interesting stuff that hasn't already been done.
But when there isn't something good enough, rather than just moaning, I'll sometimes do it myself.
And if I do do something myself, I look for how I can reduce my workload by extending existing stuff, rather than starting from scratch.

Another example for this bit: ColdFusion's Regular Expression support is pretty average - with most of the more advanced (useful) syntax not being implemented. Since nobody else had bothered, I decided to fix this myself.
However, instead of going and creating an entire regex engine from scratch (which could be a lot of fun), I have simply created a wrapper around the Java regex engine, so that it is as easy to use as CFML functions, but has all of Java's advanced features. More putting a tire around a wheel, I guess.

And, perhaps most importantly, every time I do create my own software I release it as GPL Free Software (or sometimes BSD license), so that other developers can easily use it, and extend upon it themselves if they want to.

If more developers released software as GPL (or similar), it would gradually make all software better, and we could start moving software into more interesting directions, rather than having to constantly re-write the same thing over and over.


As for the moon on a stick...
It's not actually that often I ask for things that are unreasonable or difficult.
Within the software field, I know pretty much what computers and programmers are (or should be) capable of, and it is frustrating to be using software, only to suddenly have a natural action not occur for no good reason.
It might not seem a natural action to those I complain about it not working right, but that is just a lack of perspective; I rarely try to 'trick' software into doing things!

When I know that (in well-designed Open software) the change would be a fairly simple bit of code, that annoys me all the more, since a few bad decisions by others render me powerless to fix whatever might be broken.


So yeah, I might complain a lot about software and standards, but only when there are things wrong with them in the first place, and I am annoyingly prevented from resolving those problems myself.
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 From:  koswix  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      
36147.52 In reply to 36147.51 

>>I don't want to re-invent wheels all the time;

 

Why not? wheels are shit. They use half their enegery going backwards, ffs.



The Seventh Posture of Burton's translation of The Perfumed Garden is an unusual position not described in other classical sex manuals. The receiving partner lies on their side. The penetrating partner faces the receiver, straddling the receiver's lower leg, and lifts the receiver's upper leg on either side of the body onto the crook of penetrating partner's elbow or onto the shoulder. While some references describe this position as being "for acrobats and not to be taken seriously," others have found it very comfortable, especially during pregnancy.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   
 To:  koswix     
36147.53 In reply to 36147.52 
This is true.

What we need is something where the reverse part is creating energy for the forward part.

Hmmm....


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 From:  Kriv  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      
36147.54 In reply to 36147.51 
Ranter.

"I mean...wtf is with that generic man/baby's face on the background?" "It's my face dammit. My beautiful face." - J Allard
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 From:  Mal (BAD)  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      
36147.55 In reply to 36147.51 
The best thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from.


Oh, and SVN >> git (yes I'm feeling antagonistic)
back in a flash! and as dangerous as ever...
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   
 To:  Mal (BAD)     
36147.56 In reply to 36147.55 
You're a lousy troll. :)
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