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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    31 May 2009 15:18 
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)      21 of 56 
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thank you
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    31 May 2009 15:18 
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)      22 of 56 
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thank you
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    31 May 2009 15:18 
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)      23 of 56 
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thank you
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    31 May 2009 15:19 
 To:  patch      24 of 56 
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(sorry)
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 From:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)   31 May 2009 15:19 
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What the hell did you do!

Dan Herman
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 From:  patch   31 May 2009 15:32 
 To:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)      26 of 56 
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I'm a bit worried about that myself, since it was me he apologised to, and I have no idea what for.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    31 May 2009 15:37 
 To:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)      27 of 56 
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You're supposed to clap! :(
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    31 May 2009 15:44 
 To:  patch      28 of 56 
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some people somewhere are bound to refuse to use it because it comes from Google, the new Microsoft.

Except there's very few people dumb enough to fit into that category.

Putting aside the whole Google not being evil and playing an active and healthy role in the community - which clearly differentiates them from Microsoft for anyone who pays just a slight bit of attention.

The simple fact of both the protocol and platform being entirely open mean that you don't need to like/use Google to still use Wave-compatible products.


I'm just hoping that Microsoft don't do their usual thing: hire a team of monkeys to create an incompatible proprietary competitor, which is then shoe-horned into IE, Office, Outlook, etc and gets picked up by all the retarded Microsoft-only shops, and prevents the real Wave from fully succeeding.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    31 May 2009 15:52 
 To:  patch      29 of 56 
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I wonder what the server and bandwidth specs would need to be to host your own system.

Not as much as you might think - since it works in deltas and transformations and stuff, there's not a lot of data being transferred - probably far less than an online game.

(By which I mean, anyone that can host a ten-user CS game could very likely successfully host a ten-user wave conversation.)

Obvious the main Google server would have thousands/millions of users online, and that would have to be a decent collection of servers, but anyone with that level of user-base is very likely to have sufficient resources for it not to be an issue.
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)   31 May 2009 16:15 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)       30 of 56 
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)   1 Jun 2009 06:05 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)       31 of 56 
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The thing is, Office 2010's big feature is the collaborative working, where the desktop software, the Windows Mobile apps and the new web-based versions of Word, Excel and so on can all be connected "live" to documents in Sharepoint and everybody can edit them at the same time. Which sounds a lot like Wave, except that Wave is "open", although I'm unclear as to whether that means it's a standard that Google are going to hand over to ISO or ECMA or W3C or not.

 

The one that will be of the most interest to me is the one that I can easily integrate into my own applications, allowing multiple users to simultaneously modify any LOB data, rather than just documents and spreadsheets.

 

Also, Google are getting pretty evil lately. It'd be hard not to, when you're in control of the world's information flow.

Happy now?
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 From:  Kriv   1 Jun 2009 06:53 
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)      32 of 56 
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Evil? How so?
"I mean...wtf is with that generic man/baby's face on the background?" "It's my face dammit. My beautiful face." - J Allard
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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)   1 Jun 2009 08:57 
 To:  Kriv      33 of 56 
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Well, they removed all the music videos from YouTube for a start. And they remove people they don't like from their search engine, which is as good as taking their sites offline completely. And they say they're completely behind open-source, so why is Chrome only available on Windows? And the Android source code contains routines for recording every phone call you make and using voice-recognition technology to index it. And they do everything in Python and Java, which is both kinds of wrong.

Happy now?
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 From:  william   1 Jun 2009 12:26 
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)      34 of 56 
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they removed all the music videos from YouTube
Almost
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 From:  Mouse   1 Jun 2009 13:08 
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)      35 of 56 
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They pulled the music videos from Youtube because the PRS we're after an amount of money which they couldn't sustain with the adverts. Not so much 'evil' as 'business'.

Which of the following would you most prefer?
A: a puppy,
B: a pretty flower from your sweety, or
C: a large properly formatted data file?
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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)   1 Jun 2009 15:35 
 To:  Mouse      36 of 56 
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Business is evil.

Happy now?
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 From:  Kriv   1 Jun 2009 18:25 
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)      37 of 56 
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Well, they removed all the music videos from YouTube for a start.

Already been discussed.

And they remove people they don't like from their search engine, which is as good as taking their sites offline completely.

Who and why. If a legitimate reason then fair enough, if on a whim I'm in agreement.

And they say they're completely behind open-source, so why is Chrome only available on Windows?

Because all the open source whiners to too busy moaning and not coding it?

And the Android source code contains routines for recording every phone call you make and using voice-recognition technology to index it.

First point I completely agree on. Google use it to build up profiles of people. Did you hear that Google has completed an algorythm that will predict how long people will work for a company? How long before they trend on phone usage.

And they do everything in Python and Java, which is both kinds of wrong.

Peter?
"I mean...wtf is with that generic man/baby's face on the background?" "It's my face dammit. My beautiful face." - J Allard
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    1 Jun 2009 18:47 
 To:  Kriv      38 of 56 
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Huh?
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 From:  Mouse   1 Jun 2009 18:55 
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)      39 of 56 
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Come on lad, you're supposed to be right wing.

Which of the following would you most prefer?
A: a puppy,
B: a pretty flower from your sweety, or
C: a large properly formatted data file?
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 From:  ANT_THOMAS   1 Jun 2009 19:01 
 To:  Mouse      40 of 56 
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My thoughts exactly. I thought Rendle's view on politics were a constant we could all set our political compasses by.
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