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 From:  patch  
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
36147.15 In reply to 36147.12 

I wonder what the server and bandwidth specs would need to be to host your own system.

 

And would companies be happy with their employees collaborating with other companies employees, even if they're a trusted partner, if the data has to go through the Google server? There was some mention during the Federation part of the video about private replies and them not going to the Google servers, but I'm not sure whether that was just because the private replies were between two people on the same private Wave system.

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 From:  patch  
 To:  patch     
36147.16 In reply to 36147.15 
Also, I wish this guy would stop saying "thank you" as soon as the first person claps. It's like he's prompting the rest of the audience to start clapping, so he can say "thank you" again.
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  patch     
36147.17 In reply to 36147.14 
I think this one will be a slow burner until someone makes a UI which really takes advantage of it, then it'll become ubiquitous.

I think it will become ubiquitous though. It can't not. It's the first thing I've seen which genuinely looks like the 'next step' for the net.

As for people avoiding it cos it's google, that's not really a valid position (not that that will stop them all) cos it's completely open. A third party could build a wave server from scratch (not just host one but write one) cos the protocol is open as well as the source of their server (I think) and the API. If it goes as they expect then there'll be a good healthy ecology of servers like there are for email, web, ftp etc.

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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  patch     
36147.18 In reply to 36147.15 
You can close off a server same as you can with an email server. It doesn't /have/ to communicate with the rest of the world's wave things.

Resource wise, I imagine it's going to take a lot to run one of these. I know google do clever code but this thing must eat resources. Especially when you scale it up a bit.

And yeah, didn't think much of the (form of) the presentation. "thank you... thank you.... thank you....". Good content though.

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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  patch     
36147.19 In reply to 36147.15 
(and of course there'll be gateways to things like email, so i could be able to email you from wave and to me it's a wave, including your replies etc., but as far as you're concerned it's just an email. So it's not one of those all-or-nothing things which requires both/all parties to join. I think that's a big strength)

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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
36147.21 In reply to 36147.13 
thank you
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
36147.22 In reply to 36147.17 
thank you
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   
 To:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)     
36147.23 In reply to 36147.19 
thank you
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   
 To:  patch     
36147.24 In reply to 36147.16 
(sorry)
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 From:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)  
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36147.25 
What the hell did you do!
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 From:  patch  
 To:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)     
36147.26 In reply to 36147.25 
I'm a bit worried about that myself, since it was me he apologised to, and I have no idea what for.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   
 To:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)     
36147.27 In reply to 36147.25 
You're supposed to clap! :(
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   
 To:  patch     
36147.28 In reply to 36147.14 
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some people somewhere are bound to refuse to use it because it comes from Google, the new Microsoft.

Except there's very few people dumb enough to fit into that category.

Putting aside the whole Google not being evil and playing an active and healthy role in the community - which clearly differentiates them from Microsoft for anyone who pays just a slight bit of attention.

The simple fact of both the protocol and platform being entirely open mean that you don't need to like/use Google to still use Wave-compatible products.


I'm just hoping that Microsoft don't do their usual thing: hire a team of monkeys to create an incompatible proprietary competitor, which is then shoe-horned into IE, Office, Outlook, etc and gets picked up by all the retarded Microsoft-only shops, and prevents the real Wave from fully succeeding.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   
 To:  patch     
36147.29 In reply to 36147.15 
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I wonder what the server and bandwidth specs would need to be to host your own system.

Not as much as you might think - since it works in deltas and transformations and stuff, there's not a lot of data being transferred - probably far less than an online game.

(By which I mean, anyone that can host a ten-user CS game could very likely successfully host a ten-user wave conversation.)

Obvious the main Google server would have thousands/millions of users online, and that would have to be a decent collection of servers, but anyone with that level of user-base is very likely to have sufficient resources for it not to be an issue.
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 From:  Drew (X3N0PH0N)  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      
36147.30 In reply to 36147.23 
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      
36147.31 In reply to 36147.28 

The thing is, Office 2010's big feature is the collaborative working, where the desktop software, the Windows Mobile apps and the new web-based versions of Word, Excel and so on can all be connected "live" to documents in Sharepoint and everybody can edit them at the same time. Which sounds a lot like Wave, except that Wave is "open", although I'm unclear as to whether that means it's a standard that Google are going to hand over to ISO or ECMA or W3C or not.

 

The one that will be of the most interest to me is the one that I can easily integrate into my own applications, allowing multiple users to simultaneously modify any LOB data, rather than just documents and spreadsheets.

 

Also, Google are getting pretty evil lately. It'd be hard not to, when you're in control of the world's information flow.

Happy now?

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 From:  Kriv  
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)     
36147.32 In reply to 36147.31 
Evil? How so?

"I mean...wtf is with that generic man/baby's face on the background?" "It's my face dammit. My beautiful face." - J Allard
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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)  
 To:  Kriv     
36147.33 In reply to 36147.32 
Well, they removed all the music videos from YouTube for a start. And they remove people they don't like from their search engine, which is as good as taking their sites offline completely. And they say they're completely behind open-source, so why is Chrome only available on Windows? And the Android source code contains routines for recording every phone call you make and using voice-recognition technology to index it. And they do everything in Python and Java, which is both kinds of wrong.

Happy now?

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 From:  william  
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)     
36147.34 In reply to 36147.33 
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they removed all the music videos from YouTube
Almost
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