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 From:  koswix    7 Feb 2008 12:43 
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Irk. That looks scary.

 

Maybe flat files are the way forward...


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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)   7 Feb 2008 14:47 
 To:  koswix       6 of 23 
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Or there's LINQ to XML...

 

Seriously, LINQ is the greatest new thing I've seen in programming since C++.


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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   7 Feb 2008 15:09 
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Does LINQ allow multiple WHERE functions, or does it force you to use an AND operator?

ie:
code:
.where(this==1 || that==2)
.where(this==5 || that==7)

vs
code:
.where ((this==1 || that==2)
    && (this==5 || that==7))



It really bugs me about SQL that you can't stack WHEREs; it would make queries a billion trillion squillion times more readable.

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 From:  koswix    7 Feb 2008 15:14 
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XML could work quite well, actually. Hmm - think I'll look into that option.

The noises commonly associated with flatulence are caused by the vibration of the anal sphincter, and not by the buttocks. The sound varies depending on the tightness of the sphincter muscle and velocity of the gas being propelled, as well as other factors such as water and body fat. The auditory pitch (sound) of the flatulence outburst can also be affected by the anal embouchure.
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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)   7 Feb 2008 15:27 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      9 of 23 
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If you're coding in the structured where() style, then you can where().where().

 

If you're coding in the natural query style, then you can &&.

 

It's very flexible.


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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)   7 Feb 2008 15:35 
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)      10 of 23 
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Oooh, you now have me interested. :)


Daily Irritation #2 with SQL is having to repeat every single non-aggregated field name when grouping.
(ie: SELECT SUM(a),b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i FROM table GROUP BY b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i )

Does it fix that too?

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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)   7 Feb 2008 15:46 
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)      11 of 23 
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I don't know, I haven't played with grouping yet.

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 From:  DSLPete (THE_TGG)   12 Feb 2008 09:13 
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Looks like a rip off of hibernate to me.
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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)   12 Feb 2008 11:02 
 To:  DSLPete (THE_TGG)      13 of 23 
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Hibernate is an Object Relational Mapping framework.

LINQ is an implementation of functional programming principles in imperative languages. It facilitates declarative programming, where developers can say what they want to do, rather than how they want it done, leaving the compiler to decide the best way to do it. It's a massive paradigm shift in programming languages and will enable all sorts of future good stuff like many-core parallelism without the need for understanding threadpools and such.

What you've done is, you've focused on the LINQ to SQL technique of wrapping the database objects in code objects in order that the LINQ framework can access the database. That's a very, very small part of LINQ, and it's really a library for LINQ, rather than part of it. You could do LINQ to Hibernate if you wanted to.

ADO.NET Entity Framework, which is due later this year, is similar (i.e. an alternative ) to Hibernate, but it brings some extra goodies to the party that make it a very attractive alternative.

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 From:  koswix    12 Feb 2008 12:51 
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>>leaving the compiler to decide the best way to do it

 

So it's Visual Basic, then?


The noises commonly associated with flatulence are caused by the vibration of the anal sphincter, and not by the buttocks. The sound varies depending on the tightness of the sphincter muscle and velocity of the gas being propelled, as well as other factors such as water and body fat. The auditory pitch (sound) of the flatulence outburst can also be affected by the anal embouchure.
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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)   12 Feb 2008 13:55 
 To:  koswix       15 of 23 
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>:-(

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 From:  koswix    12 Feb 2008 14:14 
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Hah! You knows it!

The noises commonly associated with flatulence are caused by the vibration of the anal sphincter, and not by the buttocks. The sound varies depending on the tightness of the sphincter muscle and velocity of the gas being propelled, as well as other factors such as water and body fat. The auditory pitch (sound) of the flatulence outburst can also be affected by the anal embouchure.
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 From:  Ally   13 Feb 2008 03:53 
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Bloody .NET 3.0 stuff. I'm still in 1.1.

 

Yeah, you heard me, 1.1. We're upgrading soon. To .NET 2.0. I'll probably leave before that happens.
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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)   13 Feb 2008 11:26 
 To:  Ally      18 of 23 
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If they're upgrading anyway, they might as well go the whole hog and jump to Visual Studio 2008 and .NET 3.5. It's still the 2.0 CLR (well, slightly service packed), but with a bunch of other libraries.

 

Is it an internal system or a marketed package?


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 From:  Ally   18 Feb 2008 07:11 
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Well we'll be (AFAIK) using 2008, because it can target 2.0. So at least I'll benefit from some of the new stuff. They did state the reason for not moving to 3.5 yet, I believe it had something to do with SQL Server 2008... I'm not involved in that side of things though, so I know bugger all details.

 

It's sort of internal, sort of not. We're a local government body that has a lot of "affiliated" groups/organisations using our software. But we don't control the machines in all of them.
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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)   18 Feb 2008 11:24 
 To:  Ally      20 of 23 
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SQL 2008? I'm quite happily using 3.5 stuff against SQL 2000 and SQL 2005.

 

Does the project use any web services or remoting, or involve any kind of workflow? If so, they'd be mental to ignore WCF or WF. Tell them I said so.


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 From:  Ally   18 Feb 2008 18:50 
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My work involves web services. A ruddy great lot of it. That said, I'm coding the front-ends in Flex, so I'm already asking for trouble.

 

I'm not sure what the issue was with SQL 2008. I think it was the product itself rather than the interaction between the two, but who am I to know, I only use it to store text and draw lines between tables.
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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)   19 Feb 2008 10:49 
 To:  Ally      22 of 23 
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If:
  • you're a platform decision maker;
  • you're moving to Visual Studio 2008;
  • you're making extensive use of web services;
  • and you're not using Windows Communication Foundation, then you need to seriously consider whether you've made the right career choices, because you're an idiot.

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 From:  Ally   22 Feb 2008 22:53 
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Perhaps. But then, I have no doubt that I've made the wrong career choices so I don't mind if everyone is like me.
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