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 From:  Bryan (TWISTER)  
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31210.17 In reply to 31210.16 
An advert just been on the TV.

"Write off what you can't afford".

It seems almost like theft.

Buy stuff, can't afford to pay for it. Ah what the hell write it off.

I know it ain't quite that simple, but it feels like it.

Bryan


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 From:  ian  
 To:  Bryan (TWISTER)     
31210.18 In reply to 31210.15 
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You need a lot of will power to NOT get these. It's all to easy.

It's this lack of willpower that I find disturbing. It it really all that hard to say "no" if it's something you don't need?! I mean a nice new flowery dress would be nice, but if I can't afford it I'll just go without. I can't imagine being otherwise.

As a side note Capital One were sending me credit card offers at a rate of about one a week. Rather than relenting at the onslaught and signing up I sent a letter to them (in their own pre-paid envelope or course) asking them to stop. They sent me a letter back saying that they would. Time will tell!

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 From:  Bryan (TWISTER)  
 To:  ian     
31210.19 In reply to 31210.18 
Capital One. pffffft.

As I noted earlier I was mis-sold an insurance policy by C1 against redundancy.

Made redundant - insurance refused to pay.

Debt went bad.

C1 still kept sending me application forms. I mean durrr.

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 From:  Bryan (TWISTER)  
 To:  ian     
31210.20 In reply to 31210.18 
As for will power.

The media has a lot to answer for.

"You simply must have this darling or you are a social outcast."

People get suckered in and the spiral begins.

Bryan


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 From:  milko  
 To:  Bryan (TWISTER)     
31210.21 In reply to 31210.19 
Do you mind me asking how it was mis-sold/refused to pay?

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 From:  ian  
 To:  Bryan (TWISTER)     
31210.22 In reply to 31210.20 
This is why I hate people. So many of them are such fucking idiots.

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 From:  Bryan (TWISTER)  
 To:  milko     
31210.23 In reply to 31210.21 
Not at all.

I had just signed myself off the sick and got any job I could.

Worked there for a while, already had credit card. After about 4 months in job they asked if I wanted insurance, said yes.

Worked there for 18 months before the company went belly up after 50 odd years of business.

Claimed insurance. They said I should have been working for 6 months before taking out the insurance. I did it after 4 so they wouldn't pay.

Can't prove/disprove whether the 6 month thing was explained to me when they sold me the policy. I'm not dim so I wouldn't have took it out if they had explained it to me. But can't prove it. And lets face it who actually reads the small print of T & C's?

I had paid them more than I needed to and for longer than I needed which really takes the piss.

I put it in the hands of a solicitor but he gave up trying.

Bryan


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 From:  johngti_mk-ii  
 To:  Bryan (TWISTER)     
31210.24 In reply to 31210.17 
It's not that easy. I had an IVA after my marriage broke up. Getting it all sorted out was not a nice experience in the slightest. But because of it my creditors got back a large portion of what I owed them. The alternative would have been to go bankrupt and then they would have got nothing because I had nothing. Making the decision to go down that road was the second hardest thing I have ever had to do and it will probably have an impact on my finances for the rest of my life.

Add THE VETOES to your myspace friends!!! Pretty please :D

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 From:  Bryan (TWISTER)  
 To:  johngti_mk-ii     
31210.25 In reply to 31210.24 
In reality I appreciate it's not that easy.

But these adverts on telly give that impression. And I nearly went the IVA route after my last redundancy. They openly state that you can write off what you can't afford. But the CCCS helped me by negotiating with my creditors a plan I could manage...barely.

Was the IVA due to the divorce? If so I can see that as a different issue. Not caused by spending well beyond your means. You were forced into a position of, presumably, having to pay maintenance to the ex (kids?), etc. Not as a result of trying to live a WAGS lifestyle.

I'm in debt. No denying it.

But people are encouraged these days to spend well beyond their means. And these adverts give the illusion of an easy way out.

I'm not good at putting into words what is in my head, so I hope you understand what I mean.

Bryan


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 From:  johngti_mk-ii  
 To:  Bryan (TWISTER)     
31210.26 In reply to 31210.25 
Yeah it was down to the divorce and not having the money to live off for a long time. The ads on TV are crap because they do give the wrong impression and the companies involved basically make a ton of cash out of the deal. It sucks.

Add THE VETOES to your myspace friends!!! Pretty please :D

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 From:  koswix  
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31210.27 

To the people who can't understand how people get into this much debt:

 

I think you're underestimating the persuasive powers of salespeople who are on commision for selling things like credit cards and loans.

 

It's not uncommon for someone to sell you a credit card and then diarise a call in 6 months time to sell you a consolidation loan. This then frees up your credit card again for more spending.

 

As more of your income is getting spent on repayments you start to have to use credit cards for normal expenses - food shopping for instance - and on it goes.

 

I think the companies selling these products need to take a hell of a lot more responsibility for their sales tactics and their constantly increasing targets and presure on staff to sell at any cost.

 

I worked in the industry and knew fine well what tactics etc were used and I still fell in to the trap, so what hope is there for the average man in the street?

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 From:  Bryan (TWISTER)  
 To:  johngti_mk-ii     
31210.28 In reply to 31210.26 
What I don't really understand is why people pay these companies?

The CCCS will basically do exactly the same thing, I think, and don't charge a penny because they are a charity.

I now don't have to deal with snotty debt collecting agencies or anything. My stress level is at an all time low for a change. No nasty phone calls or letters. It's great.

And when I find work again all I need do is let them know my position and a new management plan will be implemented to clear my debts. :D

Bryan


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 From:  Bryan (TWISTER)  
 To:  johngti_mk-ii     
31210.29 In reply to 31210.26 
And I can't imagine what it's like to be in your position.

But I know what's it like to be in the depths of despair from when I had a nervous break down. That's what I signed off the sick from and went back to work.

Bryan


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 From:  Bryan (TWISTER)  
 To:  koswix     
31210.30 In reply to 31210.27 
I am now in the habit of the harder someone tries to sell me something the harder I say NO.

But this is only as a result of the nervous breakdown. Prior to that you could have probably sold me snow in the middle of a snow storm!

Bryan


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 From:  spinning_plates  
 To:  Bryan (TWISTER)     
31210.31 In reply to 31210.30 
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I am now in the habit of the harder someone tries to sell me something the harder I say NO.


That's a pretty good rule of thumb. Generally speaking, the more someone wants you to do something, the less inclined you should be to do it. Obviously if you've carefully thought about it in advance, then it's a bit different.

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 From:  Monsoir (PILOTDAN)  
 To:  Radio      
31210.32 In reply to 31210.1 

Yep

 

£7000 - Car loan.
£300 - Owe my nan
£300 - Credit card

 

Managable and not so bad - the credit card debt is mainly from Italy this year, Venice is NOT cheap for a start! I still owe my nan for helping me out last year :$

 

I'm gonna put myself into some more debt soon, though, to get my van interior re-done and some body repair work. I don't worry about that though as

 

A) At least I have a full time job and nowhere near the debt some folks from uni are in.
B) My van will reflect the money spent on it. Worth about £5-6k as it sits currently, so at least I know if I ever get into dire straits I'll just sell it.


We seem to have a conflict of interest, because I couldn't give a shit.
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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
 To:  ian     
31210.33 In reply to 31210.18 
Do you have a copy of the letter you sent - I'm in the same situation but too lazy to write a letter. :(


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Me I just have a student loan somewhere between £12k-15k I think.
(And nearly half that amount in my bank accounts. \o/ )
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 From:  ian  
 To:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)     
31210.34 In reply to 31210.33 

Unfortunately I don't have a copy, no.

 

It was more of a short hand-scrawled note than a letter saying something like "Please remove my details from your database and do not send me any more letters, thanks."


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 From:  ANT_THOMAS  
 To:  ALL
31210.35 

2nd year of my student loan, after 4 years that'll be about £13,000. Currently near the max of my £1,250 but that's because I'm still waiting for British Airways to compensate me, guess I should send them the stuff they want!

 

The bulb on my projector broke yesterday :C hopefully 3M will sort it out since it's within the 12months and they state 2000hrs for the bulbs and it's under 1000hrs. If not, that'll be close to £200 to fix :((


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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)  
 To:  ian     
31210.36 In reply to 31210.34 
That's a good point... there's no point me putting any effort into it - I'm not trying to look professional and don't care what they might think. Next time I get one I'll just scribble on a bit of paper. :D
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