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 From:  Dave!!   2 Jun 2006 18:22 
 To:  Rich (RICARD00)      89 of 126 
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The idea technically is that the system manufacturer is supposed to support the OS mainly, hence less support for Microsoft to dish out and hence a cheaper cost. Once I buy an OEM copy of Windows myself, that immediately rules that bit out as I'm the system builder. Therefore the innability to move the OS becomes silly as it's not as if I'm moving away from a supported system. If they said that OEM versions do not have access to direct MS tech support, then that'd be far better than trying to tie it permenantly to a particular system IMO.
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 From:  Rich (RICARD00)   2 Jun 2006 23:42 
 To:  Dave!!      90 of 126 
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I wasn't discussing your philosophy.

 

I'm dealing in facts. An OEM edition, installed on anything other than a new PC, does not necessarily give the end result of a legal OS.

 

They do need to clarify what new hardware would allow it to become legit but they don;t know themselves and that comes pretty much from the top of the UK MS tree.
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 From:  Matt   3 Jun 2006 01:08 
 To:  Rich (RICARD00)      91 of 126 
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Where does the OEM license leave someone who builds PCs for other people like I have? Do I have to be registered as an OEM system builder or VAT registered company to be able to also purchase an OEM copy of XP to give them or ... something else?

The PCs I've built have generally been complete builds with the exception of the keyboard, mouse and monitor but otherwise everything else that makes up a PC including a case is new. Where do I stand continuing to do this? I know you can't really answer this but it'd be nice if you could get an answer out of your contact at Microsoft.

Also as an extension of the above can I also not simply be my own vendor and supply and install a OEM copy of Windows installed on the new PC I built for myself with the same lack of new monitor, keyboard and mouse?

All rather confusing this is.

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 From:  Rich (RICARD00)   3 Jun 2006 11:09 
 To:  Matt      92 of 126 
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You don;t need to be registered.

 

If you're building complete systems from scratch and providing the customer with an OEM licensed edition of the OS, that's fine and perfectly legal.
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 From:  Dave!!   3 Jun 2006 11:10 
 To:  Matt      93 of 126 
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I know what you mean. I recently built a complete system up for someone at work. Complete with screen, keyboard, mouse, printer etc. I bought an OEM copy of XP Home and installed that on it. It still needed activating and everything else. Now that's a new PC so is it legal to put OEM Windows on it?
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 From:  Rich (RICARD00)   3 Jun 2006 12:23 
 To:  Dave!!      94 of 126 
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It was legal to do so, yes.

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 From:  Dave!!   3 Jun 2006 12:46 
 To:  Rich (RICARD00)      95 of 126 
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And yet if I'd installed say, Linux on there, given him the PC then a week later he'd wiped Linux, bought OEM XP and installed it then, it would have violated the license agreement. :|
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 From:  Rich (RICARD00)   3 Jun 2006 18:10 
 To:  Dave!!      96 of 126 
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I do agree that it's silly.

 

I really think that OEM licenses should only be available to OEM certified organisations. To be fair, it's even a minefield for me and I'm supposed to have expertise in this field and as I said earlier, it's a minefield for MS as even their top guys don't know which hardware can constitute a 'new PC'.
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 From:  Dave!!   3 Jun 2006 21:05 
 To:  Rich (RICARD00)      97 of 126 
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I like work where we're a University and have a simple campus agreement whereby XP Pro can be installed on all PCs. Also, we're allowed Office Pro on staff home machines legally. First legal copy of Office I've had since Office 95 incidentally :)
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 From:  Rich (RICARD00)   3 Jun 2006 23:35 
 To:  Dave!!      98 of 126 
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alot of MS licensing schemes are allowing home use now, about bloody time I say.

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 From:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)   25 Mar 2009 19:33 
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I think we should resurrect this thread in some way... either strip irrelevant posts out of this one, or un-stickify it and create a new one?

 

I was going to recommend the E5200 as a kick-ass value CPU. That's all.

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 From:  99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)   26 Mar 2009 00:22 
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Personally, I object to Serg's suggestion, as this is POST 100, and if we strip out the unnecessary posts it will no longer be able to make that auspicious claim

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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)   26 Mar 2009 18:12 
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I think we should register a new domain and get a proper co-located server and give this thread a Beehive forum of its very own.

Happy now?
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 From:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)   26 Mar 2009 19:05 
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)      102 of 126 
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I preferred your old sig :(

 

How's work going Mark? Still a pleasure to work with those devs?

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 From:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)   26 Mar 2009 19:48 
 To:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)      103 of 126 
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They are blithering idiots who seem to believe that an API should do everything for them, including enforcing business logic specific to their project. Not that it matters. The world's ending soon anyway.

Happy now?
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 From:  Serg (NUKKLEAR)   26 Mar 2009 19:54 
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)      104 of 126 
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I am indeed happy now that the world is ending soon anyway.

 

Are you sure you haven't overlooked the beverage and snack ordering function of the API?

 

(cheer)

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 From:  Peter (BOUGHTONP)    27 Mar 2009 01:26 
 To:  THERE IS NO GOD BUT (RENDLE)      105 of 126 
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Heh. This week I've been moved onto a new high-priority project, and seem to be in a similar situation of people not having a clue how to do an API. Or structure a simple CMS-integrated webapp. Or use source control properly. Or write useful specs. And so on. :(

If you feel like advancing your career and learning CFML, there's a couple of open spaces on the team - would be good to have a second person with functioning brain cells... :)

(that's probably a bit harsh; it's more likely the fault of it being stupidly rushed that it's badly setup/etc, but it's still awfully frustrating)
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 From:  dyl   5 Apr 2009 21:34 
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I think you should go and work with Peter and get a webcam and leave it on so we can all watch and listen and give /that/ a website all of its own.
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 From:  xseoer   9 Jul 2010 08:00 
 To:  Ixion      107 of 126 
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Don't forget 2Gb of RAM I highly recommend that.


Have you used 4G RAM or jsut a theoretical value?
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 From:  koswix   9 Jul 2010 09:56 
 To:  xseoer      108 of 126 
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This spam of late has been /odd/.

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