Cameron on ISIS: Bomb them.

From: fixrman 3 Dec 2015 03:44
To: ALL1 of 19
The vote is in: Britain is poised to bomb Syria (four Tornados have already deployed) to combat ISIS.
From: koswix 3 Dec 2015 09:28
To: fixrman 2 of 19
>>four Tornados have already deployed

Yup, our four tornados (we don't have any more) and a couple of typhoons are going to magically achieve what the 1700+ airstrikes carried out by your lot, the French and the Russians hasn't.

:-|
From: ANT_THOMAS 3 Dec 2015 09:52
To: fixrman 3 of 19
It won't improve anything. It will only cause civilian deaths, but I guess some see that as reasonable collateral damage.

We're now in a situation where we're essentially supporting a regime we wanted to bomb not so long ago.

If a post-ISIS Syria is possible then what happens to Assad?

I might have who is on whose side wrong but it looks like this to me....

UK/US kinda support the Rebels and the Kurds but don't support Assad. Bombing ISIS.
Russia supports Assad. Bombing ISIS, Rebels and possibly Kurds (not sure on Kurds).
Turkey are killing Kurds and have no issue shooting down Russian jets.
Then throw in the complex who supports who of Arab nations and it's one big fucking mess that is only going to get worse.
EDITED: 3 Dec 2015 10:03 by ANT_THOMAS
From: Matt 3 Dec 2015 14:10
To: ANT_THOMAS 4 of 19
Not forgetting the weapons that The UK and The US are selling to Saudi Arabia, who are giving/selling them to ISIS, who are paying for them with money received allegedly from the illegal sale of Syrian oil to The Turkish Presidential family, which is then quite possibly shipped to the UK for sale here.
EDITED: 3 Dec 2015 14:10 by MATT
From: ANT_THOMAS 3 Dec 2015 14:18
To: Matt 5 of 19
Of course, can't forget the crucial arms/oil/cash cycle that keeps things ticking over.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 3 Dec 2015 15:00
To: ALL6 of 19
"If you're not confused, then you don't understand the situation"
From: graphitone 3 Dec 2015 18:28
To: koswix 7 of 19
I'll post the video later if i can find it, but there's that Bill Bailey line that seems appropriate:
 
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America is like this big lumbering schoolyard bully who goes up to countries saying, "Give us your sweets or I'll smash your face in"! And England is like the nerdy kid who leans around the back, shaking his fist going, "Yeah"!
EDITED: 3 Dec 2015 18:28 by GRAPHITONE
From: koswix 3 Dec 2015 20:33
To: graphitone 8 of 19
Seems legit.
From: fixrman 4 Dec 2015 12:37
To: koswix 9 of 19
I think it is about being an ally, showing unity - don't you? A sardonic response, whilst possibly appearing clever at parties, doesn't exactly say anything about your true feelings about the airstrikes.

I suppose a better response would be to ignore them and maybe they'll go away?
From: fixrman 4 Dec 2015 12:51
To: ANT_THOMAS 10 of 19
It does sound like, "the enemy of my friend is my enemy", the "friend of my enemy is my enemy" and the "enemy of my enemy is my friend"- except that all we seem to be choosing the lesser of evils over there.

I believe that obama's flaccid dealings in the area have allowed the re-proliferation of ISIS.
From: fixrman 4 Dec 2015 12:54
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 11 of 19
That's a really good summation, because the cause and effect over there is an extremely complex issue with no magic fix - bombs alone won't do it.
From: fixrman 4 Dec 2015 13:19
To: graphitone 12 of 19
That may get him a lot of laughs, but it isn't even close to being accurate.
 
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that Bill Bailey line
Here is a link to an article that sums up the Middle East probably better than any I've read. You lot will like it because it is critical of America - written by an American - and it is a well thought-out treatise on the continual Middle East conflict.
From: koswix 4 Dec 2015 14:29
To: fixrman 13 of 19
>>I think it is about being an ally, showing unity - don't you?

Not really.

How are your Freedom Fries?
EDITED: 4 Dec 2015 14:40 by KOSWIX
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 4 Dec 2015 14:38
To: koswix 14 of 19
No, it really?
From: koswix 4 Dec 2015 14:41
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 15 of 19
Bloody autocucumber.
From: graphitone 4 Dec 2015 14:58
To: fixrman 16 of 19
Quote: 
I believe that obama's flaccid dealings in the area have allowed the re-proliferation of ISIS.

Interesting - the papers over here are all blaming the Blair regime.

From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 4 Dec 2015 15:18
To: graphitone 17 of 19
It was mainly a Cheney show, Blair was a bumlicker.
From: fixrman 5 Dec 2015 11:55
To: koswix 18 of 19
Probably about the same as the Liberty Cabbage.

How's the tea?
From: fixrman 5 Dec 2015 11:59
To: graphitone 19 of 19
I guess that's the trouble, people still reading newspapers. Over here, if one has access to a computer and can find You Tube uploads, they can contribute to the newspapers, writing "stories".

I don't think the press in general knows their arse from a hole in the ground, but I do know they didn't like Blair. Of course, when attacks come, people aren't quick to say, "Hey! Quick! Call a journalist to protect me!"