Dying Hard Drive or PSU

From: ANT_THOMAS13 Jan 2014 16:30
To: ALL15 of 47
Just bought a 3TB Seagate external drive that had a drive inside that (I think) costs about £10 more on its own. Put the 3TB in the server and maybe going to have the 1TB as some sort of spare external drive. Probably not an amazing idea as a backup drive if it's not reliable.

Is hard drives overheating a big issue? Because the 1TB was in the middle of a set of 5 hard drives.
From: ANT_THOMAS13 Jan 2014 16:40
To: ALL16 of 47
Should I spread the bottom 5 hard drives out a bit better?


From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)13 Jan 2014 16:52
To: ANT_THOMAS 17 of 47
Either that or boost ventilation. # of drives does seem excessive to me, and an invitation to heat/psu issues. Are you just trying to eek out some extra life from old, small drives?
From: ANT_THOMAS13 Jan 2014 17:08
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 18 of 47
Depends what you class as small.

160GB (OS drive)
400GB

10GB (old server OS drive that has now been pulled)

500GB
500GB
3TB (was 1TB position)
2TB
2TB

I might get another 5.25 to 3.5 bracket and pop the 3TB at the top.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)13 Jan 2014 20:04
To: ANT_THOMAS 19 of 47
In terms of what's on the store shelves currently, anything <1TB. I think they're cheap enough that you could replace the 4 small drives with one drive for an overall cooler and less power-hungry set up. Though you'd have to copy (and possibly reinstall) stuff, which is never fun. You could still use the small drives in usb for backups.
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)15 Jan 2014 07:49
To: ANT_THOMAS 20 of 47
If I have to stack my drives like that I make sure to put a fan at the front so air can at least get pulled through and keep them somewhat cool.  You might be able to find some software that will monitor/report the temperature of the drives.
From: ANT_THOMAS15 Jan 2014 10:31
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 21 of 47
Pretty much what I'm thinking. I've ordered a 5.25 to 3.25 bracket to move it up top and I'll stick a fan at the front and fan at the back in/out.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)15 Jan 2014 11:55
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 22 of 47
I put a high cfm case fan on the side panel and pull off front drive bay covers. Also I do not stack a half-dozen drives.
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)15 Jan 2014 12:13
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 23 of 47
Where is your sense of adventure?
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)15 Jan 2014 19:26
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 24 of 47
scattered across a couple dozen dead hard drives.
From: graphitone15 Jan 2014 23:24
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 25 of 47
Dear North America, please learn the word 'of' and its use in context with the word 'couple' when referring to a few objects or things.

Yours faithfully,

The Rest of the English Speaking World.

From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)16 Jan 2014 01:09
To: ALL26 of 47
Dear anyone who wants to listen,

Please feel free to pelt that pretentious twerp with a cat o'nine tails a few times until he has at least a couple dozen bruises.

Yours sincerely,

Me.

From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)16 Jan 2014 01:40
To: graphitone 27 of 47
I'm gonna larn you!
From: graphitone16 Jan 2014 09:59
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 28 of 47
I probably deserve it.  :-((
From: ANT_THOMAS22 Jan 2014 10:57
To: ALL29 of 47
Some bytes for thought (sorry (fail) )

http://blog.backblaze.com/2014/01/21/what-hard-drive-should-i-buy/

Looks like I have the least reliable 3TB drive.....and every other drive is Seagate.

Though this 1TB failure is the only (touch wood, yj) Seagate drive that has failed yet.
From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)22 Jan 2014 11:14
To: ANT_THOMAS 30 of 47
Good find!

I've been looking at drives for a new NAS, and was favouring the WD Red or 5s (which is a tad pricey!) Both are specified for NAS.

But it looks like Hitachi are worth a look (although I think they're now HGST and owned by WD anyway)



From: ANT_THOMAS22 Jan 2014 11:43
To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 31 of 47
Yeah WD own Hitachi, no idea how much they've merged since. Whether it will mean WD drives get better or Hitachi drivers get worse....or both.

Never bothered with Green or Low Power drives and not sure why I would. Is HDD power consumption really that high to worry about?
From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)22 Jan 2014 16:34
To: ANT_THOMAS 32 of 47
From the link that you posted, I don't really think that there's a huge difference between WD and Hitachi in terms of reliability, they both seem good enough. As one poster noted, all companies have one disaster model every now and then (I've been the 'proud' owner of four 75GXP deathstars), so what really matters is consistency, and both seem to be pretty consistent (bear in mind that Backblaze have about five times as much experience with Seagate or Hitachi as WD).

As for the Greens, I can see why they'd be more prone to failure under conditions of intermittent loading. In the big scheme of things, I can't help but think that the energy savings are fairly trivial for the sorts of uses we'd have.
From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)24 Jan 2014 21:29
To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 33 of 47
Of course, the "5s" referred to by your correspondent is in fact the Se.

And he has now purchased four of them, and a nice little NAS to put them in. It's only taken him a couple of years to make this decision, bless the little cunt's little cotton socks.
From: ANT_THOMAS 3 Apr 2014 18:53
To: ALL34 of 47
Aaaaand another one bites the dust by the looks of it. One of the 500 GB drives looks to be fucked.