Windows 8.1 is out...

From: Dave!!20 Oct 2013 12:11
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 12 of 43
I agree with a lot of that, although I'll point out that having an SSD can improve things imeasurably. On my laptop (2.6GHz Core i5, 6GB RAM, 128GB Corsair SSD), Windows 7 (once past the BIOS screen) boots in 16 seconds to the login screen, 3 seconds to the desktop (where it's usable), and Firefox starts in 2 seconds.  I agree though that Windows performance on an HDD is fairly poor.

The biggy for me will be seeing how MS competes in the long term here. I know they're going down the services route a lot more (pushing the MS store and whatnot), but Microsoft also have to accept that one of their biggest strengths and most profitable areas is enterprise.

Many of them do not like Windows 8 and have stuck with Windows 7. That's not a problem for one version, however if MS continues to push Windows in a consumer direction rather than a production direction, I reckon more and more businesses will slowly but surely take a good long look at Linux and consider it as a more suitable OS for a work environment than a Windows screen full of shite flashing tiles. That is something MS can't afford to happen.

In which case, I can see one of two things happening. One is Microsoft grudgingly giving in to some degree and placing a better emphasis on improving the desktop and providing more choice. The second might be Microsoft actually forking Windows, keeping the same kernel etc, but creating a separate and fully business oriented version of Windows. It'll be interesting to see, but top businesses do not want an OS which is geared towards touch and flashy consumer "apps".
From: Dan (HERMAND)20 Oct 2013 13:02
To: Dave!! 13 of 43
This I agree with - I've come to really like Win 8 as a desktop OS, but I'm dreading my first enterprise rollout. I've been playing with it in a VM, and I'm really struggling to see if the difficulty in locking it down is worth the reward.


EDITED: 20 Oct 2013 13:04 by HERMAND
From: ANT_THOMAS20 Oct 2013 13:09
To: Dan (HERMAND) 14 of 43
This may sound a bit simplistic but do Microsoft not provide some sort of resource/help/guide to assist with things like this? Transitioning between their major products/revisions.

Or is it left to people like you and that's the reason the job you do is valued?
From: Dan (HERMAND)20 Oct 2013 14:05
To: ANT_THOMAS 15 of 43
There are Microsoft articles but they vary greatly in quality and usefulness. Also, a lot of them address very specific issues meaning you need to know exactly what you're trying to fix to find them. Plus, I work a lot in education which requires a high level of control compared to most businesses.

So, yeah mostly the second but I don't want to over play it. Its just experience over time and attacking issues as they come up - most can be sorted with a quick Google, but once we've done (collectively) 3 or 4 installs, we have a good cache of knowledge going forward and can provide a really solid install from day one. Plus, don't underestimate the comfort blanket of having a help desk number you can call when the boss is breathing down your neck!

From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)20 Oct 2013 16:41
To: Dave!! 16 of 43
Sure, but a SSD will improve Linux boot speeds too so then it's 16 seconds versus 5.

(Read a thing recently where someone made the quickest-booting linux they possibly could. Booted in 0.02 seconds :') (couldn't actually do much with it since they'd stripped pretty much everything out :Y ))

Enterprise is profitable for MS, aye, but selling Windows to enterprise isn't really (since they have to sell it very cheap and it's rarely updated). It's Azure, Exchange and Office where they make their enterprise money. Azure is becoming the focus of their efforts and Office/email will be a web based service.

I think MS are fine with Linux becoming the desktop OS for enterprise. So long as it's being virtualised on Azure.

From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)20 Oct 2013 16:41
To: ANT_THOMAS 17 of 43
W3rd.

I've not encountered anything that needs drivers for years. But then I don't use anything at all exotic so that's not surprising.
From: milko20 Oct 2013 21:14
To: Dave!! 18 of 43
Quote:
I'll point out that having an SSD can improve things imeasurably. On my laptop (2.6GHz Core i5, 6GB RAM, 128GB Corsair SSD), Windows 7 (once past the BIOS screen) boots in 16 seconds to the login screen, 3 seconds to the desktop (where it's usable), and Firefox starts in 2 seconds.

You can't go saying "immeasurably" and then go and measure it, man. That's just not on.

From: milko20 Oct 2013 21:16
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 19 of 43
Make them make After Effects/Illustrator/Photoshop linux Xen, pleeeeeeease. I could ditch Windows and OSX then.

I forgot to post here but I have recently made OSX surprise even me, a grumpy Mac user, with how fucking stupid it can be.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)21 Oct 2013 01:54
To: milko 20 of 43
I've always wondered why Adobe doesn't release on linux (after all, Autodesk did with Maya). Maybe one day they will.
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)21 Oct 2013 07:09
To: milko 21 of 43
Hah, they're moving towards being web services too, aren't they?

(I actually literally use Gimp these days :| I can't bring myself to use Inkscape though so I run Illustrator through Wine. (Inkscape is powerful and all that, but the UI is fucking dreadful))

(It's extremely weak for video editing stuff though, aye. There's some stuff in the works but nothing good enough to replace AE or Premier yet)
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)21 Oct 2013 07:12
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 22 of 43
Because 2% of desktop market share -_-

Maya makes more sense because big studios obviously want to use Linux for their render farms so moving the whole chain to Linux is less of a step (and has more obvious benefits).

SteamOS (and the shitness of Win8/direction of MS) might eventually bump that 2% up to something respectable though.
From: milko21 Oct 2013 07:58
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 23 of 43
I can't really even use alternatives anyway, they'd have to be absolutely 100% compatible and whatnot :(
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)21 Oct 2013 10:41
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 24 of 43
They have a rendering engine Mental Ray (which also renders 3DSM & Softimage) as a separate product. Plus many studios have their own, custom engines.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)21 Oct 2013 10:45
To: milko 25 of 43
Apple has proven with Aperture and Final Cut that adobe does not have a lock on the market -- all the more reason for adobe to move out of the walled garden.
From: af (CAER)21 Oct 2013 12:08
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 26 of 43
You put up with GIMP but complain that Inkscape's UI is bad? wtf man :D

(I have limited needs to Acorn is fine for me on the Mac, and I ... don't mind the Inkscape UI at all, although I've never used Illustrator so I guess I don't know what I'm missing out on)
From: milko21 Oct 2013 12:09
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 27 of 43
Final Cut seems to have taken a bit of a beating lately, professionally speaking at least. While becoming more accessible to the home user. I've used it a bit a few years ago but didn't really get on with the interface. Motion and Livetype were kinda fun timesavers.

Regardless, it don't much matter - everyone I work with uses Illustrator/Photoshop/After Effects and assorted related plugins. It's bad enough when Adobe updates a version, never mind trying to mix up semi-compatible alternatives.

At least my Office needs are generic enough that I don't need a 'proper' version of that.
From: af (CAER)21 Oct 2013 12:16
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 28 of 43
Oh and
Quote:
Btrfs (B-tree file system, variously pronounced "Butter F S", "Butterfuss", "Better F S", "B-tree F S", "Butter Face", or simply "Bee Tee Arr Eff Ess")"
...ah man, Linux  :') 
From: ANT_THOMAS21 Oct 2013 12:18
To: af (CAER) 29 of 43
Clearly got to be Butter Face.
From: PNCOOL21 Oct 2013 16:57
To: Dan (HERMAND) 30 of 43
I've still not got my head around a potential Windows 8 roll-out here in this School.  I can't get the tile start menu doing exactly what I want for user profiles.
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)21 Oct 2013 18:23
To: af (CAER) 31 of 43
Gimp's not that bad any more. Certainly no worse than Photoshop, which was always pretty dreadful. Illustrator has a decent interface though, whereas Inkscape is just... yeah, bad.