Employment issues ask-me-do

From: koswix28 Jun 2012 17:25
To: ALL1 of 128
Anyone got any problems at work they want to ask about? I have an interview tomorrow for Citizens Advice and I'm totally out of practice of answering actual real questions.
From: johngti_mk-ii28 Jun 2012 17:27
To: koswix 2 of 128
Can I start a case for constructive dismissal even though I have a new job to go to?
From: koswix28 Jun 2012 17:29
To: johngti_mk-ii 3 of 128

You can, the new job has no bearing on the treatment by your current employer.

 

However it's almost impossible to win a constructive dismissal case if you work out a notice period - you basically have to just quit and refuse to go back in to prove that the conditions were bad enough to be constructive dismissal.

From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)28 Jun 2012 17:33
To: koswix 4 of 128
Can I stay in bed and say fuck work if I'm really, really tired?
From: koswix28 Jun 2012 17:41
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 5 of 128

Yes.

 

You may get sacked, though.

From: Dan (HERMAND)28 Jun 2012 18:20
To: koswix 6 of 128
Should I bang my boss?
From: william (WILLIAMA)28 Jun 2012 18:23
To: koswix 7 of 128
quote:
the new job has no bearing on the treatment by your current employer
although it may be taken into account if you win your case and the tribunal comes to assess an award, because the potential loss of earnings will be reduced.
From: koswix28 Jun 2012 18:37
To: Dan (HERMAND) 8 of 128
Only if you padlock her gates first.
From: koswix28 Jun 2012 18:58
To: william (WILLIAMA) 9 of 128

That applies only to a loss of earnings award.

 

Any compensation award on other grounds would be unaffected, so if John argued any form of discrimination (for instance) he would receive an amount of compensation for that which is separate to the calculation for loss of earnings (discrimination claims have no upper limit. yay discrimination!)

 

It used to be the case that the reason for leaving had to be entirely because of the constructive dismissal, but the Court of Appeal ruled in Nottinghamshire County Council v Meikle that the constructive dismissal only had to form some part of the reason for leaving - hence why John can jump ship to another employer and still claim constructive dismissal.

 

That's not to say he'd win, of course. Constructive Dismissal is a right bitch to prove.

From: johngti_mk-ii28 Jun 2012 19:51
To: koswix 10 of 128
I ask the best questions!
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)28 Jun 2012 20:21
To: koswix 11 of 128
Simple one: does an employee have to work a notice period if they want to quit? If so, what are the penalties/outcomes of not doing so?
From: koswix28 Jun 2012 20:57
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 12 of 128

In order for the contract of employment to remain enforceable, yes.

 

No obviously the main part of the contract (i.e. going to work) is coming to an end anyway, so you wouldn't lose out much on that front. But there are other parts of the contract which you would lose out on, such as payment for holidays you have accrued but not taken*.

 

Also any benefits which might have a run on period, like private healthcare, or any other perks that remain after leaving.

 

Basically if you don't give notice you have breached your contract and have no right to receive any of the benefits of it**.

 

 

 

(*Anything above the statutory minimum, anyway)
(**except for payment for the work you have done up to the point you bugger off)

From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)28 Jun 2012 21:01
To: koswix 13 of 128
Thanks (hug)
From: koswix28 Jun 2012 21:05
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 14 of 128

Also, it's just fucking polite :@

 

 

 

This is actually really helpful, if anyone else can think of random questions I'd really appreciate it. Although I *think* I know the answer to most of these, it's useful to be prompted on a subject so i can check it and see what's changed in the last 18 months or so since I went mental.

From: ANT_THOMAS28 Jun 2012 21:11
To: koswix 15 of 128
Are you still mental?
From: koswix28 Jun 2012 21:35
To: ANT_THOMAS 16 of 128
Mostly.
From: patch28 Jun 2012 22:01
To: koswix 17 of 128
Is there a minimum amount of notice that I have to give my employers if I want to book a day off?
From: koswix28 Jun 2012 22:07
To: patch 18 of 128

Depends on your contract. Also, your employer doesn't have to give you any specific days off and can in fact tell you when you're off instead.

 

The law only says you have to have a minimum of 5.6 weeks off a year, but not when you get them :(

From: patch28 Jun 2012 22:09
To: koswix 19 of 128

5.6 weeks? Really? A lot of places only offer 22 or 23 days. Though it would explain why the NHS have generously given me 27 days holiday this year.

 

Or are you including public holidays? If you are, then the NHS are /really/ generous.

From: ANT_THOMAS28 Jun 2012 22:13
To: patch 20 of 128

Tends to include bank holidays.

 

I think I get 30 plus bank holidays. But I do work for a university.