Computer wont start :'(

From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)16 Jan 16:07
To: ALL4 of 24

Thanks.

> My understanding was that if CMOS was dead, so long as the PC could boot with default BIOS settings, it'd boot.

That was mine too, but I found enough results to suggest it was worth swapping the battery, and I thought it was a simple task.

Given I haven't changed the battery before, it's at least 15 years old - well past the 10 year lifespan on the pack of CR2032s I have.

Although I might have read that it was removal of the battery to reset a corrupted BIOS which was the solution, in which case merely disconnecting then reconnecting might be enough - though even if that works a spare seems a good idea.

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> I assume you've done the reseating dance, pulling out and reseating every connector, SATA cable, RAM card etc.

It's a large notebook form factor and I have limited space, so that's a complicated dance, and not one I was willing to even contemplate last night.

It's not the hard-drives: they all work fine in an external dock, and it doesn't boot with them removed.

I'll start removing/reseating other bits after I've had some lunch, and see if that reveals any further clues.

There's three RAM chips, all in awkward many-screwed places, but a single bad chip would be 12->8 which would be annoying but probably not a disaster.

If it's graphics card, they seems to be in region of £100..200 on Ebay - and hopefully, if it is that, I can find a compatible replacement and it doesn't trigger the Windows Activation bollocks... :/

From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)16 Jan 17:34
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 5 of 24
Does it do BIOS beep codes? You didn't mention whether it beeped when you started it.

I found this https://www.manualslib.com/manual/773871/Clevo-3220.html?page=72
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)16 Jan 18:55
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 6 of 24
There are no beeps at all.

Since removing the optical drive there is no discernible noise.

That's the service manual for a Clevo 3220, which is an unrelated model.

Neither the Clevo D900F Service Manual nor Clevo D900F User's Manual mention beep codes - the latter does reference a "Power On Boot Beep" option in the BIOS, which is either off or not occurring (I think it normally beeps, but I'm not certain - it's usually the whir of the fans I listen for).

So far I've removed the optical drive, keyboard and RAM chip under the keyboard, with no differences (other than the drive not whirring).

Currently trying to figure out how to get at the part where the CMOS battery connects.

EDITED: 16 Jan 18:55 by BOUGHTONP
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)16 Jan 19:57
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 7 of 24
Found a motherboard removal guide for the D900C - looks similar enough, but also seems to require removing every screw. :(
EDITED: 16 Jan 20:03 by BOUGHTONP
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)17 Jan 06:51
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 8 of 24
The number of screws in things these days. And the screws they put under stickers/rubber feet etc..

And when you've taken all the screws out you have to unclip all the fragile plastic clips with a spudger to the point where it feels like it's going to break. Or you unclip one side and the other side re-clips.

It's all so fucking hostile to maintenance/repair.

My desktop PC finally gave up the ghost so I replaced it one of these and I've been very impressed with it. For something so compact it's *really* easy to get into. They even have a disassembly guide on their own Youtube channel, which is lovely.

(it's running arch btw)

 
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)17 Jan 14:25
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 9 of 24
The frustrating thing is I've been working on what will be the replacement for the broken machine, but it's still in the process of being setup.

Was hoping to spend January making it sufficiently usable, so I can relegate the last Windows machine to graphics and music (since there are still no good Linux equivalents to Cinema 4D, Lightroom, Music Bee, Paint Shop Pro.)

Except I also have a bunch of other tasks that needed doing ASAP, and now this is yet another blocker on top of the stack.

If I can't make progress in figuring it out today, I'll have to accelerate work on the replacement, transfer the Windows stuff to a VM, and hope I can get everything important going quickly enough without making compromises. (Like why the fuck does a PDF viewer have PulseAudio as a dependency. :@)

From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)17 Jan 14:56
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 10 of 24
> Like why the fuck does a PDF viewer have PulseAudio as a dependency

Hahaha. Which one?

 
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)17 Jan 15:35
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 11 of 24
Okular.

It's not a direct depends - comes via phonon4qt5 - "a task-oriented abstraction layer for capturing, mixing, processing, and playing audio and video content."

Since Okular doesn't support any audio or video formats, I don't know why it thinks it needs that, and haven't yet checked if there's a compile option to ignore it.

From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)17 Jan 15:39
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 12 of 24
Does it ... plug into notification systems or something? Cos yeah that's weird.

As far as I know phonon's *only* for A/V stuff.

FWIW I use mupdf and it's great (for my needs of: being able to read a pdf when I'm forced to deal with one)
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)17 Jan 16:47
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 13 of 24
Apparently there's a video widget in there. Why? Who knows...

Main problem with Mupdf is the lack of table of contents.

From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)17 Jan 17:14
To: ALL14 of 24
So after hours of screwing and prying I managed to gain access to where the CMOS battery is - removed it and tried to boot, no change, restored it, no change.

So either the battery is dead, or it's the graphics card that died, or something else.

Or I undid a vital wire/ribbon that I forgot about and didn't reconnect.

From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)17 Jan 17:25
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 15 of 24
Ahh, for all those video-pdfs.
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)17 Jan 17:26
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 16 of 24
(hug)
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)18 Jan 16:26
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 17 of 24
I've searched all over hells half-acre for a good Linux pdf viewer. Best I came up with so far is Foxit, which isn't open source and (AFAIK), removed their Linux binaries quite recently. I run it in Fedora 40 (buggy) and also Win 10, though Adobe reader is slightly better on that.

Dunno about the video player stuff.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)18 Jan 17:46
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 18 of 24
I stopped using Foxit on Windows when they started included adverts. Switched to Mupdf-based Sumatra PDF, which was lightweight and did everything I needed, but is Windows only.

The poorly named qpdfview has fewer dependencies than Okular (is only Qt instead of KDE), but depends on Cups, which I'll need to recompile to remove Avahi crap.

From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)18 Jan 22:05
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 19 of 24
Now they (Foxit and Acrobat) have AI junk shoehorned into the interface.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)19 Jan 17:04
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 20 of 24
Please elect me leader of the world so I can bestow well-deserved punishments on every arsehole involved in all this so-called "AI" crap. :@
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)19 Jan 20:35
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 21 of 24
It's probably the biggest grift since crypto.
From: william (WILLIAMA)24 Jan 09:48
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 22 of 24
Any news on the computer, Peter?
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)25 Jan 16:05
To: william (WILLIAMA) 23 of 24
Not really.

I disconnected the graphics and RAM, but neither had any effect on behaviour.

Trying to get anywhere with the supposed replacement machine is roadblock after roadblock, with a few brick walls and dead-ends thrown in.

Everything sucks. Anything that seems good is a lie or a temporary illusion.

:(