"Brexit" -ish

From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)20 Dec 2017 15:26
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From: milko20 Dec 2017 15:54
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 27 of 32
He's right about it mainly fucking the mostly-leave voting areas. Of course it will, we have a Tory government who are systematically dismantling those same areas and rubbing their hands at the prospect of removing EU protection for the kinds of social welfare that exposes them more.
Not so sure about another referendum being an easy Remain. There a shitload of very vocal gammon-faced pricks who have only gotten further entrenched in their Leave opinion. And probably still a large quiet group who'll carry on agreeing with them. And about nine tenths of our shithouse press. Bah.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)20 Dec 2017 16:27
To: milko 28 of 32
The gist of the poll was that leave and remain voters unlikely to change their minds; undecided shifted to remain.
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP)20 Dec 2017 17:27
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 29 of 32
BMG had the least accurate of all the polls on the day before the General Election, and published EU membership predictions varying from +3/-10/+8 in a short period of time, so a single result from them is not really sufficient evidence.

However, their own write-up on this poll is interesting, and indicates that people not voting in the referendum were split 50:50 a year ago and are now 80:20 remain, (whilst at the same time the graph there also suggests it's not just previously undecided people causing the difference).

From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)20 Dec 2017 19:14
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 30 of 32
The will of the people must be respected!
From: Harry (HARRYN)23 Dec 2017 19:18
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Thanks for the "clarity".  I won't pretend to completely understand it all, but the responses certainly make it more clear why the issue is complicated.

I suppose politicians will figure it a grey zone way to pull it off, but it certainly looks like the EU has the UK by the short hairs and will use this border issue to shake down the UK for more money and terms.



 
From: Harry (HARRYN)25 Jan 2018 22:28
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Thanks for the insights.  It is amazing to me that the presence of a border agent at cross over points would lead to people killing each other, but what do I know.

Growing up in N Ohio, we routinely traveled to the border area of the US and Canada.  Obviously these are very distinct countries, but the relationship was more like "visiting your aunt and uncle's home".  It is polite to knock, but everyone knows that you are always welcome.

Believe it or not, all that was needed was for the driver of the car to show their drivers license and everyone in the car was allowed through - both directions. 

Commercial traffic was even more organized, as auto companies had component factories on both sides of the border, so that traffic was expedited.

I guess this is what is called a soft border?

Unfortunately, crossing this same US / CAN border today is immensely more complex.  Sometimes it seems even harder than flying into Germany.