General Election

From: ANT_THOMAS 8 Jun 2017 02:38
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 26 of 62
Diminished majority?
It will likely be an increased majority unfortunately.

A few rumours of government prepping for a hung parliament, but it won't happen. We'd need the 18-24s to turnout, and they won't to anywhere near the levels required for a surge of non-Tory votes.
From: william (WILLIAMA) 8 Jun 2017 09:43
To: ANT_THOMAS 27 of 62
I'm not optimistic about the outcome. Neither am I surprised that Corbyn came over better when he was actually shown in person. speaking, than all of the UK media, including the supposedly liberal papers portrayed him in the lead-up to campaigning.

I think it's difficult to get the extent of this across. It's the constancy of the narrative and the way that it's infiltrated so comprehensively through all levels of our media that is jaw-dropping. For example, the BBC has prided itself on impartiality over the years and championed this view of it's reporting. So it should - it's a publicly funded service. In practice, over the last 20 years, there's been something of a split, with news journalism taking a distinct position that you might call left of the Tory party but Right of the Labour party, with many of the entertainment areas, from documentary to comedy being rather more left-leaning. This is a broad-brush description and there are many counter-cases. However, over the last 5 years plus, the news journalism has shifted sharply to the right and this has been especially noticeable in reporting of Corbyn and those working with him and for him in the Labour party and beyond.

Techniques include: 1) almost never broadcasting his appearances or directly reporting his words. Instead, a BBC journalist will summarise these and it is this summary that will subsequently be discussed as the news. On one occasion, following the resignation of a Shadow Cabinet member, instead of reporting what the party had to say on the matter, the BBC asked Laura Kuenssberg the BBC political editor 'What will the Labour Leadership be thinking?' She supplied an answer (from her openly right-wing perspective) and this formed the basis of the subsequent 'news' report  2) the ambush. This is done to all politicians from time to time, but it is noticeable that it is done on almost EVERY interview with a Labour politician. Invited to discuss one topic, they will be confronted with, say, an interview given by Corbyn a few years earlier on another topic. This will be stripped of context and chosen to embarrass.  3) focus. The BBC focus has been firmly in line with the Tory Campaign. By focusing on issues that the Tories wish to headline they keep these issues firmly in the public eye. Thus Corbyn's past relationships with the IRA and Hamas are constantly discussed (unlike the numerous Tory party contacts with parties in the conflicts) whereas his policies on, say, re-nationalisation of the railways by not renewing contracts when they fall due (which is a very popular policy) are never discussed. Similarly, discussion will centre on where various Labour luminaries stand on the 'political spectrum', on supposed funding errors in their manifesto, on criticisms of them from the Tory Party and so on - things that are either never mentioned, or mentioned in passing, during reporting of the Tory Party. 

The list is endless and there is so much more that I suspect that many BBC journalists no longer realise that they are doing it - and it's often the simplest of language choices. One I recall was a report that the Tories hoped to win a local election whereas the Labour Party aimed to seize power. Other instances include persuading a one of Corbyn's shadow ministers to resign on air during a political discussion show timed to embarrass him during the Prime Minister's Questions parliamentary session. Then again there was an interview between Kuenssberg and Corbyn which she subsequently edited so that it appears he is answering one question when in fact he is answering a wholly different one that she removed. It gave the impression that he disagreed with the use of fire-arms against terrorists such as in the Paris attacks, and this was broadcast on the BBC's prime news slot at 6 in the evening and included a subsequent commentary from Kuenssberg contrasting this false representation of his views with Theresa May's. Incidentally, in case you think the BBC gives a damn or worries about being found out - the BBC's own trust organisation ruled that this interview broke guidelines on impartiality and accuracy but guess what? It's STILL up there on the BBC website and the BBC STILL use it in news discussions as though it's a model of unvarnished truth.

So I won't be shocked by a Tory majority. I think it's sad that somebody who seems rather incompetent and dishonest, and who's instincts are authoritarian and self-serving will probably be Prime Minister again. I think it's both sad and sickening that Insurance brokers including May's husband are slavering at the opportunity to relieve old people of family homes, just as private health care providers are delighted by the new source of income that her proposals promise. I'm incredibly lucky. I have a decent pension and own my home. I can afford to help my children out with rent and the occasional 'bonus'. I'm also acutely aware that they would struggle without this and I feel very sorry for those who now have to face more of the cold wind of Tory austerity in order to fund that tiny elite who grow ever more distant and out of sight at the end of society where all the wealth is piling up.
EDITED: 8 Jun 2017 09:45 by WILLIAMA
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 8 Jun 2017 13:03
To: ANT_THOMAS 28 of 62
Yeah, that was poorly worded. What I meant was: less of a majority than she was originally projected to take.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 8 Jun 2017 17:56
To: ANT_THOMAS 29 of 62
Also: THIS IS YOUR BIRTHDAY!!!  :-O~~~
From: Manthorp 8 Jun 2017 18:46
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 30 of 62
He's catching me up.
From: milko 8 Jun 2017 20:04
To: william (WILLIAMA) 31 of 62
That is a really good post. Thanks. For what little it's worth!
From: Voltane 8 Jun 2017 20:37
To: ALL32 of 62
I voted.

A friend of mine, however, hasn't been able to. He registered to vote and got a confirmation email but no polling card. Went to the polling station and he's not on the list.
Rang the council and his application was put to some department that "on the basis of information he gave in his application" was denied.
He's not got a criminal record and through admin errors has served jury duty twice.
So you can decide who is a murderer or not but still might not be allowed to vote!

I've told him to get in touch with the papers. Especially as they couldn't even give a reason as to why he's not been put on the list.
From: william (WILLIAMA) 8 Jun 2017 23:13
To: milko 33 of 62
Nah - I'm just some sort of slack-jawed commie liberal. I think I need to stop thinking about this stuff for a while and be a bit more positive. 

The BBC has always been split which means that the Play for Today dramatists found a home at the same time as the News Service was supporting the status quo and music editors were banning records. I do feel quite sad about the collapse of any sort of strong independent, investigative journalism in the BBC. They really have merged into a kind of Times/Telegraph flavour with a bitter seasoning of Kuenssberg bile. Perhaps I'll stick to re-runs of Cheers.

Incidentally, while I write this I'm watching the election night programme on ITV (we're flipping around) and Gerry Adams is being interviewed. They've totally screwed the video feed so his voice is several seconds out of sync leading to the hilarious effect that his words are still being voiced by an actor.
 
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 9 Jun 2017 00:10
To: william (WILLIAMA) 34 of 62
Actually that was very well put. Anyhoo the Guardian says exit polls are pointing to a hung parliament -- presumably meaning too close to call. Well, that was unexpected!
EDITED: 9 Jun 2017 00:11 by DSMITHHFX
From: william (WILLIAMA) 9 Jun 2017 00:38
To: Voltane 35 of 62
There seems to have been several of these fuck-ups. The Newcastle-under-Lyme result isn't in yet but it's a marginal and at least 50 voters have turned up with voter registration cards who aren't on the lists. Same in Plymouth, Sutton and Devonport where the council not only screwed up the voting lists but also postal votes and the current Tory majority is 523.
From: william (WILLIAMA) 9 Jun 2017 00:44
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 36 of 62
I'm always on tenterhooks about these things and I can't trust myself to believe good news. I won't relax until the results are all in.

That said, I have my fingers crossed for Hastings just along the coast from me where my son lives. It's the Home Secretary's constituency and she appears to have called for a recount - which means she must have lost the first count. Apparently the local Labour party are very happy which suggests we aren't looking at 1 or 2 votes difference.
From: ANT_THOMAS 9 Jun 2017 05:04
To: william (WILLIAMA) 37 of 62
She held, but only by 346. That would have been a huge loss.
From: Voltane 9 Jun 2017 07:40
To: william (WILLIAMA) 38 of 62
Our constituency held as Tory, but by about 365 votes.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 9 Jun 2017 09:39
To: william (WILLIAMA) 39 of 62
I was very very surprised this morning!
From: Manthorp 9 Jun 2017 09:48
To: ALL40 of 62
Well, I didn't see that one coming!
From: william (WILLIAMA) 9 Jun 2017 10:03
To: ANT_THOMAS 41 of 62
Yes, I think the messages coming out of the count were wrong. I think the recount was probably ordered by the returning officer because the numbers were so close. I suspect Rudd was ahead on the first count. Very disappointing.
From: william (WILLIAMA) 9 Jun 2017 10:08
To: Voltane 42 of 62
Commiserations. 
From: william (WILLIAMA) 9 Jun 2017 10:42
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 43 of 62
I think it's fairly clear that Labour managed to get out loads of new and infrequent voters and attracted back its share of UKIP voters (I imagine these are working-class voters who see Labour as their natural home in spite of their actual views). Unfortunately many Scottish/UKIP/Stupid voters swung back to the Tories as well with the result being a more two-party kind of election across the UK than we've been used to in the last few years.

I hope that the Labour euphoria at getting a better-than-expected result doesn't get out of hand. When these supposed new voters find that in spite of making the effort to leave the house, walk down the road, and vote, we aren't going to get an end to austerity, nationalised railways, a publicly owned utility service alongside the private ones, reinvestment in housing and healthcare, etc. and that quite to the contrary, Theresa May will press ahead with her agenda, quietly dropping the difficult bits, will they stay energised of drop off to sleep again?

The worst possible outcome is the prospect of May resigning and Boris Johnson taking over. 
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 9 Jun 2017 12:33
To: william (WILLIAMA) 44 of 62
I don't see May resigning, and I don't see Johnson being made PM if she does, in the wake of his serial, public idiocies.

The worst outcome I can see is fumbling the Brexit negotiations by whichever lame duck PM, while a polarized UK is riven by political infighting, further terrorist acts inciting a rightward drift (which amazingly did not happen in the election, so who knows).

Also: this election (and the US') shows that the influence of the news media is rapidly waning in the facebook era.
EDITED: 9 Jun 2017 12:37 by DSMITHHFX
From: william (WILLIAMA) 9 Jun 2017 13:42
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 45 of 62
You may be right about Johnson - he certainly has deadly enemies within the Tory party. On the other hand I'm reminded of simple facts such as his relatively comfortable win as London Mayor, a post for which he was patently unsuited, his appointment as Head of Foreign and Commonwealth, and his continuing public popularity.

I can see that he's a posh-boy bully and thug masquerading as a well-meaning eccentric. Most people I know can see it as well. But the H L Mencken effect is well and truly working in his favour as it did, albeit in different circumstances for Rob Ford who continued to win landslide victories in spite of his prodigious drug and alcohol habit and numerous public indiscretions. I don't think we can rely on ill-health saving us from Boris.

Once upon a time, a public disgrace such as discussing assaulting a journalist with a friend, or being caught falsifying information for news stories, or using racist language, would merit a resignation and retirement from public life. Today Johnson holds a major public office. And he's not alone. Liam Fox, for example, is International Trade Minister in spite of being up to his neck in the expenses scandal (he was the single highest claimant while also regularly condemning the 'waste' of public money on the poor and sick). Fox also had to resign as Secretary of State for Defence when it emerged that he allowed a friend, uncleared or subject to any security vetting, who had no job with the MOD or any branch of government or public service, to simply attend top secret defence meetings and even to fly abroad for similar meetings at public expense. No doubt this helped his friend's lobbying business greatly. I worked for the Ministry of Defence many years ago. I suspect I would have spent some time in one of Her Majesty's fine prisons had I tried anything similar.

So I can't rely on Boris being out of the picture.