Dump Trump

From: milko21 Feb 2016 20:09
To: ALL112 of 207
So it "suddenly" seems quite likely that Trump could get the Republican nomination. Wow! It'd be like us electing Boris for something serious. Eesh, I wish I knew where I'd like to emigrate to.
From: graphitone21 Feb 2016 20:17
To: milko 113 of 207
Greenland?
From: fixrman27 Feb 2016 16:31
To: milko 114 of 207
OK, Alec.
From: DeannaG (CYBATRON) 1 Mar 2016 15:52
To: koswix 115 of 207
You are so very twisted. LOL
From: DeannaG (CYBATRON) 1 Mar 2016 16:00
To: Harry (HARRYN) 116 of 207
No more Clintons!

We already had one cost the tax payers $40 million over a lie and a blowjob.

What is she going to cost us?

I'd vote for a crossed eyed chimp before I'd even think about voting for her.

If we're going to have a woman in the white house, my vote is for Roseanne Barr. I'd love to see her take on those stuffed shirts.

Just this woman's opinion. :)
From: DeannaG (CYBATRON) 1 Mar 2016 16:06
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 117 of 207
I'd lean more toward him being a douche bag.

You've just been incredibly mean to the world's idiots by including him in their number. :)
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 1 Mar 2016 16:27
To: DeannaG (CYBATRON) 118 of 207
40 million? Gosh. Big number!

http://www.usdebtclock.org/
From: ANT_THOMAS 1 Mar 2016 16:34
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 119 of 207
Mesmerising.
From: Harry (HARRYN) 1 Mar 2016 17:47
To: DeannaG (CYBATRON) 120 of 207
quote: cybatron
No more Clintons!

We already had one cost the tax payers $40 million over a lie and a blowjob.

What is she going to cost us?

I'd vote for a crossed eyed chimp before I'd even think about voting for her.

If we're going to have a woman in the white house, my vote is for Roseanne Barr. I'd love to see her take on those stuffed shirts.

Just this woman's opinion. :)

I agree.  I follow the ABC rule - Anyone but Clinton.

From: DeannaG (CYBATRON) 2 Mar 2016 22:31
To: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 121 of 207
Disgusting. Isn't it? I think he should have to pay that money back!

I pay my bills and taxes. The government should have to pay theirs too. Why should the citizens and taxpayers be the only ones counting pennies to survive? >:(
EDITED: 2 Mar 2016 22:32 by CYBATRON
From: DeannaG (CYBATRON) 2 Mar 2016 22:36
To: Harry (HARRYN) 122 of 207
Anyone but Clinton or Trump. They're both whacked in the head to one degree or another.

Even if I was prone to such a vile habit, I wouldn't spit on either one of them. They're just not worthy of that much of me. So they're definitely not getting my vote!
From: koswix 2 Mar 2016 22:49
To: DeannaG (CYBATRON) 123 of 207
So do you think that extra-marital oral sex and lies are traits inherited through marriage?
From: milko 3 Mar 2016 11:28
To: koswix 124 of 207
I think Hillary has plenty of bad points that aren't anything to do with Bill's famous scandals.
From: fixrman 3 Mar 2016 11:38
To: milko 125 of 207
Interesting. How does Hillary scan over there?
From: ANT_THOMAS 3 Mar 2016 12:11
To: fixrman 126 of 207
I'd personally prefer Bernie over Hillary but I'd prefer Hilary generally over any Republican.

But I totally understand the issues with her, this email stuff is starting to stink and she's clearly cosy with the corporations.
From: koswix 3 Mar 2016 13:39
To: milko 127 of 207
I think so too, which is why I thought it was strange to cite Bill's blow job as a reason not to vote for Hillary when there's clearly an abundance of other, far more relevant reasons.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 3 Mar 2016 15:08
To: ANT_THOMAS 128 of 207
Hillary's the best of a bad bunch (of those who have a snowball's chance in hell).
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX) 3 Mar 2016 15:09
To: koswix 129 of 207
That's the level of political discourse in America.

 :-((
From: milko 3 Mar 2016 16:41
To: fixrman 130 of 207
Depends on who you ask, same as Trump etc. there are some who like her and some who don't. I don't know if I'd say we have anything approaching an obvious consensus. 
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 4 Mar 2016 02:13
To: fixrman 131 of 207
I don't know how far this aligns with the view over here in general but my view is:

Hilary Clinton is a pretty typical "third way" politician in the mould of Bill Clinton, Tony Blair or Barrack Obama. I think Bill had more (political) integrity though, Hilary will literally say anything to anyone to get votes. She's very skilled at saying nothing in such a way that everyone thinks they heard what they wanted to hear.

The problem for her this election is that Bernie's pushed her way to the left of where she wanted to be and, should she win the nomination, it's going to be interesting to see how she reels that back in.

I think things are changing though. In various places we've seen the rise of anti-austerity parties/candidates who question the economic status quo. Obviously Bernie Sanders represents this in the US. It's becoming a popular position which can win votes across the traditional political spectrum and the party is really failing to respond to it because they're stacked with third-wayers.

Hilary is so far up the arse of big money that even she can't straddle that particular set of issues and when she tries it rings very hollow, especially in the context of the Goldman Sachs speeches. If the popular narrative moves where it looks like it's moving with regard to the kinda stuff Bernie's talking about then the Democratic Party risks becoming ideologically estranged from its base, which it would not weather well.

In any normal election Hilary would stand very little change in a general election, her unfavourables are ridiculously high. This isn't a normal election though, the GOP have failed to field a viable candidate so she has a potential shot at winning (I'm not saying Trump isn't viable, but he's not really a GOP candidate in any meaningful sense. I'll get to that).

And she probably is going to be the nominee. Bernie's not totally out of it, most of the states so far have been particularly favourable for Hilary, the states where Bernie stands a decent chance are up next - he *could* take it to the convention but it's an uphill battle (but really he's had an uphill battle all the way, he's done amazingly well for a Jewish, secular, non-corportate-funded socialist).

Trump is another kettle of fish. Trump is entirely the fault of the media and politicians - they've spent the last 50 or so years dumbing down the political discourse, minimising ideology and policy in favour of the sound-bite and treating politics as a popularity contest which is entirely about money and how much 'speech' it can buy rather than a discussion.

In the context of the climate they've created, Trump is the *perfect* candidate. He stands for absolutely nothing but will say anything and he grabs headlines and airtime by saying and doing stupid shit. Which, to a woefully uneducated electorate looks like "straight talking" and "telling it how it is" and "being tough". The fact that he has no actual policy doesn't matter. The fact that he doesn't mean the stuff he uses as a stand in for policy ("we'll build a wall") (he's been recorded, off the record, as saying he has no intention of following through on that, he just says it to get votes) doesn't matter. As he said himself during one of his speeches - he could literally go out and shoot people in the street and it wouldn't matter, he wouldn't lose votes.

Trump is a(n imbecilic) monster created by the media and politicians. What matters is whether his support has a ceiling (I suspect it does) and whether he destroys the GOP (I suspect he will) which is going to be *very* interesting in the long term.

If the GOP was going to do anything to stop Trump it really had to happen before now. Rubio stands a mathematical chance of being competitive but it's looking less and less likely (though he was helped by Cruz claiming a few states on super tuesday).

Trump is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a Republican. So the GOP either just grins and bears it or they split. The Republican party should really be about 5 separate parties anyway - the neocons have very little in common with the libertarians who have very little in common with the religious right who have very little in common with the moderates who have very little in common with the traditional constitutional conservatives. It's a wonder they've managed to hold together so long really (well, it's not, they use bullshit token issues like gun control and abortion, which are basically settled issues - when it comes to policy the parties aren't at all far apart on these issues. They're used as a wedge to artificially polarise the electorate). Anyway, I think Trump will be enough to make those cracks within the party properly rupture.

Which could actually be good for the country. Since you currently essentially have two centre-right parties. If the Republicans split into 3 parties (neocons+moderates, conservatives+libertarians and religious right) and the dems split into two (third-wayers and actual (modern, anti-austerity type) leftists) then a far broader spectrum of political views, and ones with far more internal logic, would be represented.



 
EDITED: 4 Mar 2016 02:17 by X3N0PH0N