I thought 8.1 brought back the Start button. But I spent so long waiting for 8.1 in place of the abomination that was 8, and it all seemed too little too late so I bailed ages ago.

If you're still on 8.1, install this to. Get. Your start menu back: http://www.classicshell.net

:%s/Trident/Webkit/g

In reference to Blink, of course.

And yes, while Edge is not completely new, it is stripped of all legacy cruft - that was kinda the point of them doing it. IE11 is still there in Windows 10 if you want to use it, and it still uses the old Trident engine too.

Indeed, but it is at the end of the day an alternative browser. I can't help but feel that the number of people who run out and upgrade to Windows 10 just because "I want to use Edge" is maybe a bit limited...

I think it was 8 they started spreading the start all over the place.

The computer I had before I got this one has 7 Professional on it, and it wasn't set up like this one.

When I did the upgrade to 8.1 I was hoping for something more like what I was used to in appearance, but didn't get it. Obviously.

There's always a way. It was the second thing I installed in 8, after a proper browser.

Well thank you very much. The information is very much appreciated.

(((((((((((((BIG-SQUISHY-GRANDMA-HUGS)))))))))))))))) :)

>that was kinda the point of them doing it

Well, I think the point was more a rebrand to distance themselves from the damaged IE brand. Which was explicitly stated as the point in that leaked memo I can no longer find.

There's definitely some old windows code still kicking around in there. I just manually installed my printer driver, when I clicked Have Disk it /still/ Fucking defaults to A:/

:'D

Them were the days when installing a driver it would hang for a while trying to access the floppy drive when there was no disk in it.

And the noise! That beautiful grinding noise!

:D

<vaguely remembers 'drivers'>

Whilst *nix does generally have good support for a lot of hardware, the times it doesn't can be a total nightmare.

Having to compile drivers and modules, then forget when you upgrade the kernel that it breaks everything and you have to do it all again :C

Man, you need to try harder at trolling. Linux still has drivers, i.e. a program that provides a software interface to your hardware. Whether you have them as pre-compiled binaries that you install or source code you compile into the kernel or into a module, you still have them :/

DKMS does a lot of that automagically.

Yeah, when stuff's not supported it's fucking horrible. Though I've not encountered that for a *long* time. I think pretty much everything remotely mainstream is covered by the kernel these days (with the exception of trackpads, which are like the new wifi cards).

I replied to this but it got lost when I submitted. Said something like "you do not have permission to view this page".

I'll try again...

Ok, don't know why you think I'm trolling.

I didn't say drivers don't exist in Linux. What I said was "I barely remember them" (or words to that effect). Facetiously, of course, because yes I do remember them.

But one doesn't have to deal with them in Linux. My hardware is detected and the appropriate modules are loaded. I do no have to search for them, download them, install them (manually, I mean - to be clear, they are in fact installed, yes.), worry about whether they're up to date. It's all entirely automatic, I never have to think about drivers, everything just works (as Ant says, so long as your stuff is supported. Which most is and mine all has been for several years).

This is the second time you've called be a troll in this thread (which I honestly don't think I am).

I don't think saying I barely remember drivers can reasonably interpreted as making the ridiculous claim that they don't exist in Linux. Which makes me think you wilfully misinterpreted me in order to have a go. To poke holes in a ridiculous claim that no one would ever make. Which is... odd.

You might not have said drivers don't exist in Linux, but that's how I read your post. Maybe I did wilfully misinterpret what you wrote, but maybe you also wilfully wanted me to misinterpret it?

One as in the royal one, right? We must be both lucky because our hardware works with Linux, but I can fondly remember countless times when it wasn't and yet it worked fine otherwise, and when hardware doesn't work in Linux it's often way more of a ball ache than Windows - doubly so when manufacturers refuse to support Linux by not even providing source code. Things have changed greatly, but this is also true of Windows, which leads me to...

Does anyone (except those that are stuck on Windows XP) really have to worry about making sure their drivers are up to date any more? My current machine, all of them have either been built-in or downloaded and updated automatically by Windows - both 8 and 10. That might be different for Windows 7, but if you choose not to upgrade to have this new functionality, you can't really bitch about it not being available, right?

Edit: Regards the access denied thing, that shouldn't happen so much now.