car stuff

From: Dave!! 6 Dec 2014 17:56
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 14 of 67
Must admit I've not used a Haynes manual on a car before, but I've fixed several motorbikes with them. I agree that they are useful, but not a complete source of knowledge. Various times I've looked at an oily photograph in one, scratched my head, then looked at my completely different looking bike in confusion. But they do have some useful bits and pieces in.

I also second getting a decent socket set and a torque wrench. It's not just for ensuring stuff is nice and tight either. Some bolts go into softer aluminium casings and if you over-tighten them, you can shear the threads and then you're into a world of expensive pain. If you torque up according to the manual though, you're pretty safe.

Oh, and get some good torches/lamps as well. They sell battery powered LED floodlights on eBay that are surprisingly bright and very portable too. Ideal for lighting up the underside of a vehicle so you can see what you're doing.
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 6 Dec 2014 19:36
To: johngti_mk-ii 15 of 67
There needs to be a emot guy who has his head under a car tire.
From: fixrman 6 Dec 2014 20:52
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 16 of 67
Let me torque your nuts for you. I have the wrench for it.
EDITED: 6 Dec 2014 20:54 by FIXRMAN
From: fixrman 6 Dec 2014 20:53
To: koswix 17 of 67
Quote: 
Good quality and won't brake the bank too much.

Oh, good pun!

From: JonCooper 7 Dec 2014 12:46
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 18 of 67
good tools are better than cheap tools  

if you have a problem, chances are someone else already has had the same problem and there will be something online about it, quite often a youtube video

if you have a scrapyard anywhere near you that still lets people take parts off themselves, go there and see how stuff works etc without messing up your own stuff

take photos of everything before you start, then you'll know where it all goes back later on

most colleges will have a basic car maintenance course as a evening class if you're interested

almost all of it is much easier than people think it will be
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 7 Dec 2014 15:04
To: JonCooper 19 of 67
Amen on the tools!  Having the right tool for the job is the biggest hurdle in getting the job done!  It's taken me ~30 years but I have a pretty excellent set of tools, and I'm not even a TV repairman! 
From: fixrman 7 Dec 2014 15:09
To: JonCooper 20 of 67
I thought you guys over there liked King Dick™ tools...
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 7 Dec 2014 15:34
To: JonCooper 21 of 67
Thanks, that scrapyard idea is a good one, though haven't got a clue if there's one nearby - I suspect they'd be too paranoid about safety/liability. :/

The Croydon College website is crap but afaict they don't have anything suitable. Though I can probably get my dad & brother to help me with getting started over the holidays anyway.

From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 7 Dec 2014 17:45
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 22 of 67
Not wishing to overthink this, or stand in the way of you and a good grimy time, but wouldn't it just be a damned sight less hassle to take to to a garage?
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 7 Dec 2014 18:04
To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 23 of 67
No.
From: Dan (HERMAND) 7 Dec 2014 18:21
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 24 of 67
I don't think there's a great deal I can add to what's been said, but, and I hate to say this - are you sure this is something you want to get into?

I find playing with cars to be great fun and a brilliant break to computers, but they can also be endlessly frustrating and it can be easy to get into to trouble. The RAC/AA will not look kindly at turning up to your half taken apart car :D

Other than that, what do you mean by your spark plugs being faulty? Like any component, they CAN fail, but spark plugs generally just degrade - they rarely cause actual issues. More likely to be a coilpack issue if you definitely think it's electrical. The good news is, though, if they're accessible then Spark Plugs are a piece of piss to change but BE GENTLE. If you cross thread them, you've fucked your engine.

My personal top tips:
  • Get a Haynes manual by default
  • Don't believe everything you read in it, or indeed on the Internet
  • Most things on cars are pretty strong and bolts corrode TIGHTLY, you may need to hit things with hammers
  • Get a torque wrench and use it (Especially important for spark plugs)
  • ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS ensure you use the right size sockets/spanners. You will ruin things if not.
  • Expensive tools are great, but don't be afraid of cheaper stuff to get started. I still use the sockets from my very first £10 socket set from Wickes 10+ years ago
  • Get someone to help - even if they know nothing too, EVERYTHING is easier with an extra set of hands and eyes
  • Start early in the day - there's no fun in realising you need a tool or part at 5:00pm on a Sunday
  • The mechanics of a car are rarely the complicated and difficult part - it's the rusty bolts and seized components that will fuck you over.
EDITED: 7 Dec 2014 18:30 by HERMAND
From: Chris (CHRISSS) 7 Dec 2014 20:52
To: Dan (HERMAND) 25 of 67
I changed my cat 5 years ago. Would have been a simple job if it wasn't for the rusted bolts. Not having any experience with undoing rusty bolts I tried loads of WD40, hammer on the spanner and a blowtorch. Think I got all but one or two undone and had to drill them out. Was a pain in the bum.

Sparkplugs are simple. Changed mine this year as my car was misfiring and the plugs hadn't been changed in 6ish years. They'd completely worn our, surprised it was still sparking. I should get a torque wrench for next time though.

Next job is the oil filter and oil on Sian's car.
From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 7 Dec 2014 22:05
To: Chris (CHRISSS) 26 of 67
Next job is the oil filter and oil on Sian's car.

Top tip: oil goes in the car, not on it!

You're welcome.

EDITED: 7 Dec 2014 22:05 by MR_BASTARD
From: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 7 Dec 2014 22:12
To: Dan (HERMAND) 27 of 67

> are you sure this is something you want to get into?

If I didn't rely on my car, it'd be a curiosity, and lower priority than a bunch of other stuff I want to learn, but since I expect it to work when I need it, not understanding isn't really acceptable for me.


> what do you mean by your spark plugs being faulty?

Just a theory so far, someone mentioned it a while back of being a possible cause of sometimes taking a few tries to start, and since the battery has been replaced it has twice failed until I left it 5-10mins with the heating on. It might also be cold/damp, but one of those times was about 90 minutes after having been driven, and I read something suggesting that in those conditions it can cause an issue with the sparkplugs being confused about temperatures or something (I'm not describing that very well, and I didn't bookmark the page. :()

I've also recently been getting judderyness when driving, which I've also seen suggested as a spark plug issue, though that's got a variety of other possible causes too.

And that's the thing, I'd like to be able to accurately diagnose an issue - I don't need to be able to fix everything, so long as I can at least have an idea about it.

From: Chris (CHRISSS) 7 Dec 2014 22:14
To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 28 of 67
Really? I thought it was meant to cover the bodywork to make it more slippery through the air. Why would I put it in the car and get oily clothes when I sit down?
From: koswix 8 Dec 2014 02:27
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 29 of 67
What do you mean by judderyness when driving? What *exactly* are you doing when that happens? And is it something you feel as a vibration, through the steering wheel or through the pedals or the gear stick?

From: fixrman 8 Dec 2014 03:40
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 30 of 67
Spark plugs rarely cause that kind of issue unless they are cracked or fouled. Fouled plugs misfire at idle generally whereas a cracked plug might only do it under load or when damp.

You likely have a secondary ignition issue if it misfires under load; a bad COP (Coil On Plug) or ignition wire will exhibit that condition. A cold start issue or hot restart problem could be lack of fuel pressure from a leaky check valve at the fuel pump, a leaking injector or a leaking fuel pressure regulator.

If the Coolant Temperature Sensor (CTS) is not sensing the correct temperature when cold, it may cause hard starting. That sensor effectively acts like a choke, to over-simplify things. I don't know what alphabet soup gets used over there so the nomenclature for Engine Management sensors may be quite different to what is used in the U.S.; even at that, none of the manufacturers here can agree to what things should be called.
From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 8 Dec 2014 10:14
To: Peter (BOUGHTONP) 31 of 67

> are you sure this is something you want to get into?

If I didn't rely on my car, it'd be a curiosity, and lower priority than a bunch of other stuff I want to learn, but since I expect it to work when I need it, not understanding isn't really acceptable for me.

If you rely on your car and you're not naturally mechanically inclined, all the more reason to get someone who knows what they're doing to look at it.

From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 8 Dec 2014 10:15
To: Chris (CHRISSS) 32 of 67
You don't spill it over the seats, fool. You keep it in a bottle in the boot in case you have a deep-fry emergency.

Sheesh!
From: Chris (CHRISSS) 8 Dec 2014 11:07
To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 33 of 67
Is that a regular emergency in Scotland?