Sounds riveting, really. I was going through some of the manifold ramifications today and I am left with the impression that although a romantic and emotional thing, there aren't enough contingencies in place to make it a success, ultimately.

I'd change me Teh vote in a minute if I could.

Do you think it could ever end up as Ireland did?

So really then, if the vote is no - but the vote is real close as I thought it might be - do you think then it will give Scotland a more powerful voice in Parliament then? Would that be enough to appease the separatists?

I don't use pay TV, but thanks for BBC 5. Bookmarked and listening now.

It is 01:09 there and I am hearing the returns come in, but I'll not let anything go yet... I should have been writing down the returns as they are coming in, but you'll see as much tomorrow.

You should be able to livestream the actual BBC TV coverage as well.

They've stopped it. Oh, I've checked your link and I think I can watch it from there. Thanks!

Unbelieveable turnouts, averages somewhere around 86%! That is unreal!

Hahahaha! Love it!

Un-fucking-believable.

I literally dinnae ken.

{{{Scottishes who voted Yes}}}

Although it was wrong (IMO) for only a part of the UK to decide the future of the UK (albeit 'their' part), I can't help but feel disappointed for rUK.

:((

/////// (hug) ///////

(Just have another referendum when Westminster inevitably fucks up/delays/provocatives on federalisation :Y )

For all your posturing over the rights of democracy, you don't seem to be too fazed that (a) the future of the UK was not decided by all of its citizens, and (b) that in a pathetic attempt to appease the minority, the political leader of all persuasions pretty much sold rUK down the river.

And then you criticise the US democratic process. Odd, no?

You think the rest of the UK should have had a vote on whether Scotland should be allowed to leave?

I really don't see the logic in that. A contract is an agreement between parties, any party can end it if they are no longer in agreement. When you change phone contracts done on ask for permission to leave your current supplier? I mean it affects them, too.

interesting that "Teh" got the result pretty much spot on

>For all your posturing over the rights of democracy

Not entirely sure what that means and I don't think I've ever done that.

> you don't seem to be too fazed that (a) the future of the UK was not decided by all of its citizens

The future of Scotland was decided by Scotland. Had they voted Yes then the rest of the UK could've decided their own future. What Kos said.

>that in a pathetic attempt to appease the minority, the political leader of all persuasions pretty much sold rUK down the river.

No idea why you think we've been sold down the river.

>And then you criticise the US democratic process. Odd, no?

What's odd about it?

 

I'm not sure - there's already a vocal Tory rebellion on granting any more powers, but the risk the Big Three parties run is that if they weasel out of it, the Scottish electorate could swing away from Labour to the SNP, with the SNP taking the position of "the people voted No to independence, but they're still voting for us, so they obviously want something".

I think rUK should have had the vote as to whether Scotland should be allowed to stay. The way it was run, only a minority was given the opportunity to vote on the union, and that's hardly democracy. It's all a matter of perspective, init?

But there was no mandate from that from our parties.

No, they just took it upon themselves to run around like headless chickens, and make promises without discussing with those annoying little proles. You know, the likes of you.

David Cameron, to Alex Salmond: "Take me, take me big boy"
Ed Milliband, to Alex Salmond: "Take me, take me big boy"
The guy from the LibDems, to anyone who'd listen: "bock bock bock"