The natives are getting restless

From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)11 Sep 2014 06:48
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 5 of 189
From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)11 Sep 2014 07:40
To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 6 of 189
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)11 Sep 2014 09:23
To: koswix 7 of 189
If England didn't have the bad habit of voting in truly execrable regimes, this wouldn't be necessary. Well, that and the royals.
From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)11 Sep 2014 09:37
To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) 8 of 189
OK, I don't rant very well. My blood rarely boils over something that isn't largely pointless to the wider population.

But he may well be a Trotskyist who takes a dodgy photo, and I may well be a reactionary recidivist, who also takes a dodgy photo, but I found his diatribe strangely warming to the cockles of my heart. Whatever the hell they are.
From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)11 Sep 2014 15:52
To: ALL9 of 189
So if Scotland does secede, Royal Bank of Scotland will relocate its HQ to London, so that it's still protected by the Bank of England. Or something.

But wouldn't the whole name become a misnomer? It couldn't be a Royal and Scotland (unless Scotland remained in the commonwealth under Betty, but what's the point of gaining independence if you can't also tell the monarchy to go fuck themselves?)
From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)11 Sep 2014 16:07
To: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD) 10 of 189
We would actually still be keeping The Queen - that's one of the things which has already been decided in the white paper.

As far as the RBS move goes, it's all very interesting:
http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/rbs-ceo-tells-staff-zero-rbs-job-losses-when-scotland-votes-yes/
From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)11 Sep 2014 16:37
To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) 11 of 189
Seems odd that if RBS goes bust the BoE will pick up the tab, not the Scots, but hey-ho.

I didn't think for the world that jobs would move en masse, that makes not sense at all. But I'd imagine that at least a few would have to move to establish a London HQ.
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)11 Sep 2014 17:48
To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) 12 of 189
Nooooo!!!! Dump the bloated old maggot and her whole maggot fambly!
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)11 Sep 2014 21:02
To: ALL13 of 189
Just watched the big big big big big big debate. Galloway has fucking lost it. Greens came over very well (particularly the 'fairer is more important than richer' point).
From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)11 Sep 2014 21:09
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 14 of 189
I had to resort to Google to figure out who you meant by Galloway.
From: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ)11 Sep 2014 21:48
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 15 of 189
The Greens may end up as a credible opposition party up here - they've got a lot of support thanks to everyone refusing to touch the Lib Dems with anything shorter than a very long bargepole.
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)11 Sep 2014 23:11
To: Kenny J (WINGNUTKJ) 16 of 189
Interesting times ahead (hopefully)!
From: CHYRON (DSMITHHFX)12 Sep 2014 00:59
To: ALL17 of 189
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From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)12 Sep 2014 02:37
To: ALL18 of 189
Decided to test the viability of an independent Scotland in EUIV.

Going pretty well so far :Y
From: milko12 Sep 2014 09:34
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 19 of 189
haha, good work!

I think No are probably going to scrape a win here, but I hope that the closeness of it and the large engagement of people means some improvements come along with it.
From: koswix12 Sep 2014 10:12
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 20 of 189
What is that game, and why are you showing it to me when I go back to uni on Monday? :@
From: koswix12 Sep 2014 10:12
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 21 of 189
What is that game, and why are you showing it to me when I go back to uni on Monday? :@
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)12 Sep 2014 17:04
To: koswix 22 of 189
Hah. It's a far worse time vampire than Civ could ever dream of. Days just disappear. I have to ration myself heavily.
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)12 Sep 2014 17:35
To: milko 23 of 189
*/FWIW/* I think/hope it'll be a narrow Yes. I think the No campaign have pissed enough people off with their negative approach in the last few weeks to swing what was pretty much in the bag for them.

But it really depends on which side actually gets out and votes and I'm hoping that the Yeses feel more strongly than the Nos. Enough to outweigh the usual thing where people vote more conservatively than they poll.

It's exciting (dance)
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)12 Sep 2014 17:58
To: koswix 24 of 189
Playing as Scotland is hard at the best of times. You've got to go through England to really get anywhere and England are always going to have at least a 3-5x bigger army than you and their navy simply can't be beaten.

As Scotland you really have to make sensible allies and take advantage of English weaknesses. And, during my game, pretty much everything went wrong. Firstly Leinster allied with me and together we annexed the independent Irish provinces. This went well and was a good situation for both of us - we could work together to repel the dirty English.

Inexplicably though, when the wars ended Leinster (who controlled the southern half of Ireland) dissolved our alliance. Which is pretty bad, you don't want an unpredictable nation with a land border when you're far more concerned with a bigger neighbour. So I had to fabricate a claim and annex them which was frustrating but fine, I got more land, raising the size of the army I could support a bit.

Ok, so, as Scotland, as I say, you rely on powerful overseas allies and English weakness. Those allies are usually France and the Scandinavian countries, those are the ones that make sense. And English weakness means poaching territories off them while they're engaged in stupid wars with France and/or Spain or, even better, if the War of the Roses happens (conditions have to be right for it to occur) just marching in and taking a nice big chunk of England while they're fighting with themselves.

Colonialism isn't really viable as Scotland (though I'd really like to play an all-out colonial Scotland one day).

I'd allied with France but they won the 100 years war and took back all English territory in France ridiculously early and were embroiled in useless (for me) wars with Holy Roman Empire member states making them pretty worthless as a military ally. They just weren't interested enough in helping me invade England and were too constantly war weary from fighting with the HRE.

So I took as much of North Sea trade as I could without pissing off the Scandinavians or leaving myself exposed and looked to Norway and Sweden - they are usually very good allies for Scotland as the relationship tends to work extremely well for both sides.

Unfortunately both Norway and Sweden had somehow got into a personal union with Denmark (with Denmark as the senior partner) so all diplomatic interactions had to go through the Danes whom, at the start of the game, I had chosen as my rivals in order to get a stronger position in North Sea trade. The whole of Scandinavia was useless to me.

Denmark eventually got both Norway and Sweden when their monarchs died and became a new political entity, which I quickly allied with, but they're so fucking huge now that they're not really interested in looking west, they've got Lithuania and Muscovy to worry about.

So I'm sitting here as Scotland building up my economy and tech, supporting any English rebels that pop up and hoping that the War of the Roses kicks off sometime soon.