Hunting rifles are designed for hunting. Target pistols and rifles are designed for target shooting. Most guns owned in the US, and certainly the ones we're bothered about here, are neither of those.

The guns we're concerned with are handguns, which are shit for hunting (with the exception of a few very high calibre revolvers and stuff); SMP/SMGs, which certainly have no non-combat purpose and assault rifles where... well, the clue is in the name.

These are all designed specifically for harming people. That is what they are for, that is the guiding principle when designing them.

Most guns here are rifles and shotguns. I'd say by at least a 10:1 margin. The explosion in the past year with pistols has been driven by the talk of banning them.

You can't actually mean those things and be against gay marriage, you realise that, right?

So which is the lie?

Hunting rifles and shotguns (hunting shotguns, not combat shotguns) are fine. We have those here, too. I don't think anyone here is particularly bothered about those.

We're talking about the handguns, SMP/SMGs and assault rifles.

All of your guns are handguns, aren't they?

That's just my opinion on it. I think marriage should be between a man and a woman. The whole purpose, IMO, of a marriage is to have and raise children.

I'm not "against" gay marriage, I just don't think it's right. Right as in a natural thing. 

Literally no credibility.

Witness dismissed. Case closed.

Guns are now illegal and gay marriage is mandatory.

Are blowjobs, BDSM and vibrators natural? Should they be illegal too? Are cars natural? How about hats?

I have 3 handguns and about 10 rifles and shotguns.

What right should gay couples have?

Is there any form of legal recognition for gay couples in the US?

What are you talking about?

I don't see anything wrong with blowjobs, or any sexual activity if you are both in agreement.

I don't follow you on the other examples.  A car was made to drive, try to sail across the ocean in one and it doesn't quite work. Hats are just badass and can be worn whenever you feel like it, especially if you have a gun.

There are some states that have made marriage legal, other than that they have the same rights as any other unmarried person.

But what rights do a gay couple have? Do you think a gay couple shouldn't have the same rights as a heterosexual couple?

Ignore the religious and reproduction side of things for a minute. Shouldn't two people who want to be in a permanent legally recognised relationship be able to do so?

If I ignore that then yes sure.  And really I'm haven't been assigned a judge so people can do what they want, doesn't matter what I think does it?

Gay and lesbian couples are often adopters of those unwanted children who would otherwise grow up unloved and in care.That seems to me as socially useful a role as any other couple.

I honestly couldn't agree more.

In 10 years I would like to see the divorce rates of homosexual couples compared to heterosexual couples. My guessing is that it will probably be lower.

I don't agree with the difference being because we don't have guns

hand guns were only banned here after the Hungerford incident in 1987

before that they were legal, and shotguns / rifles still are for licensed people

the difference seems to be a deeply ingrained cultural thing

even when we could have guns with very little issues, we didn't really want them

I thought handguns were banned even more recently, after Dunblane? I may be mistaken. But yes, primarily cultural for sure - so nations like Canada that also have quite a lot of guns don't have USA-style murder stats.

The Hungeford aftermath was primarily rifles and shotguns. Dunblane prompted the handgun ban.