Would you rather...

From: ANT_THOMAS23 May 2013 18:34
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 55 of 104
And it will be shit compared to the mass produced stuff we currently buy!
From: ANT_THOMAS23 May 2013 18:35
To: milko 56 of 104
Ha, yeah if it's a case of the guns that are sourceable being shit and converted so poorly that they're very dangerous to the user than that's fine by me!
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)23 May 2013 18:40
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 57 of 104
I agree with all your points, pretty much. Where I get angry is the government telling me I can or can't do anything, I don't care what it is. As long as I'm not harming anyone they shouldn't have a say in what I do. I think that's the view of most Americans and I think with that view it makes guns one of those things that we should be allowed to own and use as long as we don't harm anyone.
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)23 May 2013 18:41
To: ANT_THOMAS 58 of 104
Yeah at first it will be. But can you picture the day where you can play that anti-piracy ad about downloading a car while you're downloading a car? It will be glorious! 
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)23 May 2013 18:44
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 59 of 104
But people with legally-owned guns are harming people. Guns are weapons. They are for harming people. While they can be used for target shooting that is not what they are for, that is not their designed purpose (in the vast majority of cases).

That's like saying: I should be allowed to walk around strapped with C4. So long as I don't flick the switch then I'm not harming anyone so why not?
From: ANT_THOMAS23 May 2013 18:45
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 60 of 104
Do you think there should be no laws at all? or just the ones you like?
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)23 May 2013 18:46
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 61 of 104
(tangent: You're pro gay marriage then?)
From: ANT_THOMAS23 May 2013 18:48
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 62 of 104
I may be well off with this view (and in years to come you're welcome to rub it in my face) but I think mass-produced products will still be of a better quality and much cheaper no matter how good 3D printing gets.

I certainly wouldn't consider driving a 3D printed car.

I do love the idea of 3D printing. I think it will be great for DIY, projects, building small stuff. But not for anything with many many parts, especially something that needs to be incredibly safe.
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)23 May 2013 18:52
To: ANT_THOMAS 63 of 104
I agree. 3D printing in its current form (i..e polymers done layer by layer mainly) is pretty shit. It'll have some limited specific uses but broadly speaking it won't change much.

I'd get very excited about proper nano-printing. And the stuff Ben was talking about was very interesting (using bacteria to fabricate stuff on mars and that).
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)23 May 2013 18:55
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 64 of 104
Why are guns only for killing people? I own lots of guns and have never killed anyone.  We use guns for hunting here. The only way you'd get killed by me is if you dressed up as a deer.  I do have pistols that /could/ be used for hunting but I use mine to make my dick larger.
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)23 May 2013 18:56
To: ANT_THOMAS 65 of 104
There should only be laws against things that harm other people.
From: ANT_THOMAS23 May 2013 18:57
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 66 of 104
You don't need to carry a gun then. Unless you think you're going bump into an angry deer on your trip to the shops?
From: ANT_THOMAS23 May 2013 18:57
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 67 of 104
Like owning guns?
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)23 May 2013 18:58
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 68 of 104
I am not, and yet somehow I've managed not to go on a shooting rampage against gay people! I know, pretty crazy but somehow I do it!

My view is that it's not right, BUT if they want to do it and it doesn't harm me then go for it. What do I care? My complaint is against them getting the same benefits as a traditional marriage. 
From: ANT_THOMAS23 May 2013 19:00
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 69 of 104
Why shouldn't they? Are they not two normal people who love each other and want to be public and open about their relationship and have the legal safeguards that come with marriage like any other people do?
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)23 May 2013 19:01
To: ANT_THOMAS 70 of 104
I'll lay a gun on my desk, and when it jumps up and kills someone I'll send you 1 BILLION dollars, deal?
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)23 May 2013 19:01
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 71 of 104
Hunting rifles are designed for hunting. Target pistols and rifles are designed for target shooting. Most guns owned in the US, and certainly the ones we're bothered about here, are neither of those.

The guns we're concerned with are handguns, which are shit for hunting (with the exception of a few very high calibre revolvers and stuff); SMP/SMGs, which certainly have no non-combat purpose and assault rifles where... well, the clue is in the name.

These are all designed specifically for harming people. That is what they are for, that is the guiding principle when designing them.
From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)23 May 2013 19:02
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 72 of 104
Most guns here are rifles and shotguns. I'd say by at least a 10:1 margin. The explosion in the past year with pistols has been driven by the talk of banning them.
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)23 May 2013 19:04
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 73 of 104
quote:
Where I get angry is the government telling me I can or can't do anything, I don't care what it is. As long as I'm not harming anyone they shouldn't have a say in what I do.
quote:
There should only be laws against things that harm other people.


You can't actually mean those things and be against gay marriage, you realise that, right?

So which is the lie?

From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)23 May 2013 19:05
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 74 of 104
Hunting rifles and shotguns (hunting shotguns, not combat shotguns) are fine. We have those here, too. I don't think anyone here is particularly bothered about those.

We're talking about the handguns, SMP/SMGs and assault rifles.

All of your guns are handguns, aren't they?