Hyper-V vs. VMWare

From: milko31 Aug 2012 17:08
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 30 of 43
Does this conversation confuse you like it does me? I keep thinking they're talking about you.
From: 99% of gargoyles look like (MR_BASTARD)31 Aug 2012 17:11
To: milko 31 of 43
Xen and the art of server virtualisation?
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)31 Aug 2012 17:16
To: milko 32 of 43
Yes, I just pretend that they are talking about me and how great I am.
From: Dave!!31 Aug 2012 17:37
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 33 of 43
But we do need to use XenCentre to manage you...
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)31 Aug 2012 17:38
To: Dave!! 34 of 43
Well I do need managing, I can be quite a handful (nj).
From: johngti_mk-ii31 Aug 2012 17:39
To: Drew (X3N0PH0N) 35 of 43
Only when you've been wined and dined Xen ;) (mj)
From: Drew (X3N0PH0N)31 Aug 2012 17:43
To: johngti_mk-ii 36 of 43
Buy me some oatcakes and we'll see.
From: Dave!!22 Oct 2012 18:25
To: ALL37 of 43

So, has anyone played with the newer version of Hyper-V? At my new place, we have three Hyper-V servers, but are seriously considering moving to VMWare as the initial release of Hyper-V is very basic (can't share devices between host and guest, zero mouse support until integration services are installed, less scalable, etc). These servers aren't pooled and have 24GB of RAM, each currently runs about 5 VMs - depending on the requirements of the guests.

Of course on the other hand, VMWare is quite expensive, so if the newer release of Hyper-V adds some much needed features and a bit more scalability, we might look at upgrading Hyper-V instead of moving to VMWare. So, anyone played with it yet?

From: Dan (HERMAND)22 Oct 2012 18:54
To: Dave!! 38 of 43

I've installed it on my dev box but that's as far as I've got :$

(As an aside, I have no doubt VMWare will still be best in class. Citrix seem to have all but lost interest in catching up, too. Essentials Plus should be plenty for most people and you can get 3 hosts, 2 CPU's each, with 3 years of support for £6800 according to VMWare.com. You can probably get it cheaper through a reseller.)

Though expensive/cheap is all very relative.

Actually, weren't you working in education? They offer some very good discounts.

Also if your HyperV servers are just standalone, have you considered the free version of ESXi? I wouldn't ever recommend it normally, but it may do the trick for you.

EDITED: 22 Oct 2012 18:56 by HERMAND
From: Dave!!22 Oct 2012 20:59
To: Dan (HERMAND) 39 of 43

Working for an offshore oil services company in Aberdeen now, quite an upgrade from the simple 5-server setup I had before! The kit that they have is mainly stuff that they were landed with following a recent sale of one of their divisions (the division which managed the IT). At the moment, there's a large handful of decent standalone servers, plus 3 virtuals with 24GB of RAM - each running its own standalone copy of HyperV.

We're wanting a fourth host, but are also wanting to improve the efficiency of things. Does the free version of ESXi support features such as variable memory and growable images? VMWare's site isn't obvious about this.

From: Dan (HERMAND)22 Oct 2012 21:36
To: Dave!! 40 of 43

Do you mean like HyperV's dynamic memory? No, it doesn't do that and I think you need one of the higher editions to support hot add memory (This off the top of my head). That said, VMWares memory management is extremely good and while I don't like it, they do officially support and recommend memory overcommitment so that may be able to do what you need. You can thin provision VDisks in ESXi, though.

(NB: Some / all of this may have changed in the new VSphere 5.1, I'm yet to look properly)

By the way, you can run up ESXi in VMWare Workstation fairly easily (Free trial available). Then you just need the free VSphere Client installed - connect to your new virtual ESXi box and you'll see all the features. The ESXi install is ridiculously simple.

It IS very cut down compared to full on vSphere, but most features require your hosts to be in a VMWare cluster and ideally have shared storage etc.

From: Wattsy (SLAYERPUNX)22 Oct 2012 21:47
To: Dave!! 41 of 43

I am installing 2012 Hyper-V tomorrow on a test rig (medium spec's new server), I shall report back once I have had a few days play. I have only been using Hyper-V for three month and I really miss Vsphere, its just doesn't cut the mustard IMO.

 

From: Ken (SHIELDSIT)23 Oct 2012 20:57
To: Dave!! 42 of 43

I'm getting ready to test the new hyper-v too. I was hoping to get to it today but it's not going to happen.

From: Wattsy (SLAYERPUNX)24 Oct 2012 15:28
To: Ken (SHIELDSIT) 43 of 43

Just installing it now. it will only be a couple of days alive as the machine has to go into production next week :(